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These items originally belonged to my grandmother and no doubt originally belonged to my great grandfather. My great grandfather served in WWII. I don't know much of his service history. I know that he served in an artillery unit. I know that he served at the end of the war but I don't know when he entered the war or army. One of the only anecdotes I've heard is that while occupying Germany and the end of the war he and a couple others were told to evict some German women from a house so he and the others could live there. They didn't have the heart to evict the women so they lived in the basement while the women lived upstairs, cooking for them and doing their laundry. Perhaps they weren't so empathetic and just smart! When they departed one of the German women gave my great grandfather a pair of ruby earrings to take home for his wife, as a thank you for their kindness.

I don't have much info on these artifacts and haven't had much luck searching online. Here is what I have... I regret not including something in the pics for scale.


A locket with a "Manitoba" crest on it. Bison head in the middle of a maple leaf. Roughly the size of a quarter.
CANADA written on the lower banner.
184 OVERSEAS BATTALION written on the crest.
I was able to find some info on this. Apparently it is from WW1 which my great grandfather did not serve in. Perhaps it came from another family member. 184 Overseas Battalion was trained near where I currently live, Carberry to be exact. A battalion made of young men from the Prairies, they were immediately absorbed into other units as reinforcements upon arrival to England. End of 184 Overseas Battalion.




To me this looks to be worn on the shoulder/bicep of a military uniform. Naval? No identifying letters or numbers.



Here is a pin, roughly the size of a twoonie. Naval? No identifying letters or numbers.



Here is a German pin, roughly the size of a silver dollar. Pin is very lightweight and is tarnished.
Depicts a man and woman dancing. Below is an eagle sitting atop an encircled Nazi swastika.
Left of the swastika IMAI (Latin?) is written and the year 1938 to the right.
On the back of the pin reads W. HORLEIN over GMUND



Here is another German pin. Roughly 2" x 3/4". Lightweight but not tarnished. Designed to be crimped on to the garment, not quick release.
Only marking is M1/167 located on the back.



Would appreciate any info you guys have. I am not interested in selling... if that needs to be said.
:cheers:
 
Hi,

Cool items! The locket is a neat little personal item.

Someone who knows Kriegsmarine uniforms may know more about the second item. Looks like it's off a uniform.

3 & 4 appear to be tinnies, these were popular little wartime items in Germany, they are still collected but not worth huge money, usually $20-$150 depending on rarity, condition, pin condition, ect.


Looks like a SS visor cap eagle, nice score! You will need to post detailed images of both sides to have it authenticated though, there are many very convincing fakes of these but I don't see any red flags (so far). It does appear the prongs are missing however, probably from being ripped off a cap. Probably still worth $300+ but hard to say...depends how the back looks, prongs, ect. This is definitely (in my opinion) the most potentially valuable item if you were looking to sell and make a few bucks.

Regards,
-Steve
 
Thanks Steve I read a little about tinnies. Maybe #4 is a tinnie but #3 is completely different material. It's heavy and well made.
The visor cap eagle has both prongs the are just flattened. Highly doubt it would be fake. No one in my family has bought or sold militaria and it was found with the rest.
 
Thanks Steve I read a little about tinnies. Maybe #4 is a tinnie but #3 is completely different material. It's heavy and well made.
The visor cap eagle has both prongs the are just flattened. Highly doubt it would be fake. No one in my family has bought or sold militaria and it was found with the rest.

Would love to see some more photos. The market is sadly so flooded with fakes that the forums are bombarded with stuff like this and the majority of SS insignia is fake -- I don't see any red flags and believe the story but unfortunately good pictures are always necessary with this type of thing for everyone to be 100% sure if you were thinking of selling. Don't take it personal if others say the same thing, it's just the state of the hobby. I think you are lucky to find that nice cap eagle :)

German tinnies were made of all sorts of material from cardboard, bakelite, heavy brass, aluminum, steel, ect. You would need to go on a site like whermacht-awards and post in the tinnie sub-forum to find out more about those ones - it's not something I know much about, they are a world of their own.

-Steve
 
More pics... looked up the numbers on the back. Serial number that identifies M1 as Insignia and 167 as the makers reference number. Lists the two names of the men who made it.
It looks to be in great shape compared to the others I seen online.









 
The eagle has good and bad points. I had one M 51, RZM, early steel made, flat hooks, got it in trade for my cowboy holster from an oldtimer.
Yours has good eagle shape head and overall look. An expert here will comment on embossed code. RZM looks odd. Catches look like nails added at one time. Yours aluminum or alloy, very light, most were.
Value 100 and up.
 
The eagle has good and bad points. I had one M 51, RZM, early steel made, flat hooks, got it in trade for my cowboy holster from an oldtimer.
Yours has good eagle shape head and overall look. An expert here will comment on embossed code. RZM looks odd. Catches look like nails added at one time. Yours aluminum or alloy, very light, most were.
Value 100 and up.

can you explain what you mean by "RZM looks odd"?
 
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