Help me identify this Parker Hale please

[Brutus]

Seems I vaguely remember from a catalogue thier top notch rifle was the Safari model, next down was the 1200c, the third one down I cannot remember any details. But the least costly wasn't built on a Mauser action. It was built on a Springfield action. Maybe?

 

[Fox]

Mauser variant. That's the problem with the toxic and evergreen Liberal laws. They will "mean" whatever they (there's that word again) want it to mean. - dan

The list is not law yet.

Also, based on the generic "Mauser Sporter" that they have listed that would make every Win 70, Cooey 71, Husqvarna, etc, etc, etc, illegal.

 

[dan belisle]

The list is not law yet.

Also, based on the generic "Mauser Sporter" that they have listed that would make every Win 70, Cooey 71, Husqvarna, etc, etc, etc, illegal.

Yes, and that is what they want. If you have kids you will be familiar with the cookie jar method. Want everything, settle for most things, which is what we are in the middle of. Regardless, if they pass this law, it will include "variants". And from past experience with Smith and his cohorts, that means anything they want it to mean. - dan

 

[Fox]

Yes, and that is what they want. If you have kids you will be familiar with the cookie jar method. Want everything, settle for most things, which is what we are in the middle of. Regardless, if they pass this law, it will include "variants". And from past experience with Smith and his cohorts, that means anything they want it to mean. - dan

100%, we have to fight this BS.

 

[Longwalker]

I'd suggest converting the bottom metal to a floor plate. The Mauser 98 parts are readily available, and a floor plate is a better system than the detachable magazine ( at least PH's magazine) anyway. ''

 

[Dosing]

Mauser variant. That's the problem with the toxic and evergreen Liberal laws. They will "mean" whatever they (there's that word again) want it to mean. - dan

Indeed the intent of the law is one thing, the way the proposed document is written it says Mauser, this a Parker Hale, built from the ground up by Parker Hale, and not Mauser, nor a variant there of. For the people that think every sporting rifle is based on a Mauser, well its just plain wrong.

 

[dan belisle]

Indeed the intent of the law is one thing, the way the proposed document is written it says Mauser, this a Parker Hale, built from the ground up by Parker Hale, and not Mauser, nor a variant there of. For the people that think every sporting rifle is based on a Mauser, well its just plain wrong.

Lol, sure, just like a 715 Mossberg is clearly an AR15 variant. You're trying to use logic where there is none. In this case, however, a PH is very clearly a Mauser variant, as is pretty mcuh every bolt action rifle. - dan

 

[tiriaq]

If the PH magazine system is going to be discarded, and a conventional trigger guard/magazine unit installed there are some issues to consider:
There is a little stud silver soldered to the bottom of the receiver into which the middle (secret) trigger guard screw is threaded. The trigger guard unit likely won't fit until this is filed for clearance. This may be a one way operation. If the stud is removed or the screw can no longer thread into it, the PH detachable system can't be reinstalled.
Are the feed rails on the bottom of the receiver suitable to retain and control the feed of rounds coming out of the internal magazine?
How does the length of the new magazine compare with the length of the receiver feed opening?
Will the new magazine work with the length of the cartridges (in this case .30-06)?
Mauser receivers can be quite cartridge specific.

 

[Dosing]

Lol, sure, just like a 715 Mossberg is clearly an AR15 variant. You're trying to use logic where there is none. In this case, however, a PH is very clearly a Mauser variant, as is pretty mcuh every bolt action rifle. - dan

No, I am trying to not panic. The Blaze 47, the GSG MP5 etc were all evaluated and deemed as variants one at a time by the RCMP firearms lab. It was not a magical blanket verdict. The 1200 is not a reworked k98 etc, and does not have interchangeability of parts across the board, nor does it say Made by Mauser on it. So until someone in the firearms lab specifically adds it, it is Not a variant, not matter how much most Fudds think every bolt action rifle is a ‘Mauser’. Bolt actions existed before Mauser came up with the 98, and inane US gunwriters and poor marketing aside, the vast majority of bolt actions share nothing with the M98/95/93 etc designs. Its possible the RCMP Lab would like to extend the ban to more, but as the proposed document stands, its the Mauser Sporter, and Brazilian Mauser.

 

[tiriaq]

The first PH sporters were made on ex-military receivers. The PH sporters accept standard M98 bolts, triggerguards, barrels, etc.

 

[Fox]

No, I am trying to not panic. The Blaze 47, the GSG MP5 etc were all evaluated and deemed as variants one at a time by the RCMP firearms lab. It was not a magical blanket verdict. The 1200 is not a reworked k98 etc, and does not have interchangeability of parts across the board, nor does it say Made by Mauser on it. So until someone in the firearms lab specifically adds it, it is Not a variant, not matter how much most Fudds think every bolt action rifle is a ‘Mauser’. Bolt actions existed before Mauser came up with the 98, and inane US gunwriters and poor marketing aside, the vast majority of bolt actions share nothing with the M98/95/93 etc designs. Its possible the RCMP Lab would like to extend the ban to more, but as the proposed document stands, its the Mauser Sporter, and Brazilian Mauser.

They have to actually define it.

Based on how it is written now they can claim that putting a scope on a full military Mauser would make it a sporter. The original PH rifles were all M98 actions that were purchased as surplus and then sporterized for sale. Husqvarna did the same with surplus M96 and M38 actions. The Winchester model 54, a direct Mauser sporter and also the parent of the Win 70, which is also a M98 action, at least pre-64.

It is all interpretation and when things are left grey then it is up to the police to determine what you will be charged for and you to figure out how much of your net worth will be going in to your lawyer to prove that the police charged you improperly.

 

[tiriaq]

The M54 and M70 are more closely derived from the '03 Springfield, which was itself a Mauser derivative.

Doesn't really matter. The powers that be will define anything any way they choose.

 

[dan belisle]

No, I am trying to not panic. The Blaze 47, the GSG MP5 etc were all evaluated and deemed as variants one at a time by the RCMP firearms lab. It was not a magical blanket verdict. The 1200 is not a reworked k98 etc, and does not have interchangeability of parts across the board, nor does it say Made by Mauser on it. So until someone in the firearms lab specifically adds it, it is Not a variant, not matter how much most Fudds think every bolt action rifle is a ‘Mauser’. Bolt actions existed before Mauser came up with the 98, and inane US gunwriters and poor marketing aside, the vast majority of bolt actions share nothing with the M98/95/93 etc designs. Its possible the RCMP Lab would like to extend the ban to more, but as the proposed document stands, its the Mauser Sporter, and Brazilian Mauser.

A PH is a Mauser sporter. The earlier ones were literally sporterised military actions (as was common with practically every British maker at the time). Later ones were built using commercial Mauser actions, built by a different company. Panic or dont, the rcmp will decide and the law is so poorly written that they will "variant" as they wish. - dan

 

[7mag]

Wasnt this thread about Parker Hale ID?

 

[guntech]

In the early 80's I encountered a new Parker Hale 1200 in 30-06 that had excessive headspace by 35 thou. The only factory rifle I have ever seen with such excessive headspace.

All the Parker Hales seemed to be quite accurate.

 

[patricksbb391]

It is a 1000C, nice rifle, likely goes bang, without any pretense associated with rosewood ornamentation.

All PH magazines for .30-06, or standard length Magnums will fit/work.

 

[dan belisle]

In the early 80's I encountered a new Parker Hale 1200 in 30-06 that had excessive headspace by 35 thou. The only factory rifle I have ever seen with such excessive headspace.

All the Parker Hales seemed to be quite accurate.

Wasn't that when Navy Arms bought all PH's old stock and sold ot all off? I seem to recall some improperly heat treated receivers from that lot. - dan

 

[guntech]

Wasn't that when Navy Arms bought all PH's old stock and sold ot all off? I seem to recall some improperly heat treated receivers from that lot. - dan

There was nothing wrong with this new rifle other than the headspace was way off... no lug setback, just chambered too deep.

 

[riversrest]

The stripper clip cut on the receiver is missing and it seems to be a C model. Any stamping on the receiver or barrel?

 

[dan belisle]

There was nothing wrong with this new rifle other than the headspace was way off... no lug setback, just chambered too deep.

Interesting. Thx for the info. - dan