Help me out with this 3030 ammo

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Hi all, looking for some help with some OLD 3030 Winchester ammo I recently acquired. The brass is stamped Remington UMC, the packaging was in very bad shape, and what was left was just brown cardboard with the visible markings being Remington UMC 170gr. They are round nose.

Now for the interesting part - theyre either a FMJ or a solid. I have no experience with 3030 in either of those bullet types. Anyone have any idea what they might be? Anyone remember these from the "good ol' days"?
 
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The standard configuration for the 30-30 is as you said, round nose, 170 gr., with an exposed lead tip. A FMJ or solid would be a reload, and would not be a performer, given the 30-30 velocity range.

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tazzman said:
The standard configuration for the 30-30 is as you said, round nose, 170 gr., with an exposed lead tip. A FMJ or solid would be a reload, and would not be a performer, given the 30-30 velocity range.

Just my .02 cents...
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Yes, I have plenty of round nose lead tipped 3030 shells. I've never even heard of a solid or FMJ loaded for 3030.

What would be an easy giveaway of a reload?

I'm mostly curious if anyone remembers Remington loading these. Maybe they did at some point?
 
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redbirddog said:
Does the FMJ have a dimple at the tip?
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I had some - might have been Super-X by Winchester, or maybe Imperial - circa late 1970's - was PNEU bullets as I recall - claimed to be expanding for hunting, using pneumatic expansion idea - I did go through several boxes of that - and never did hit a deer with them, so I do not know how well they worked.

One memorial day, likely with those shells, I emptied my Winchester 94 three times at running whitetails - 21 shots, and never got a thing. Sold that rifle. Bought a Winchester Model 70 in 308 Win. Got a deer that next fall with the first shot. So WTF - the chambering /cartridge must have made the difference??
 
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Back in the day, all the big companies loaded the popular cartridges with "Metal Patched" or "Full Patched" bullets (being FMJ), I don't know for certain but your ammo is probably pre WWII.
 
FMJ or "solids" were, if not common, at least readily available at one time. They're not reloads. Dominion/C.I.L. loaded them at least into the '60's, I'm not sure when Winchester and Remington stopped.
 
MiG25 said:
Back in the day, all the big companies loaded the popular cartridges with "Metal Patched" or "Full Patched" bullets (being FMJ), I don't know for certain but your ammo is probably pre WWII.
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Is using the term "patch" to mean different than I thought it meant - I have made some "paper patched" lead bullets - before paper patched rounds, there was black powder loadings with things like silk or wasp nest paper as "patching" around the ball - something that apparently rides along between the bullet surface and the rifle bore? I had presumed that "metal patched" meant the bullet had a skin of metal (not paper or silk) between the bullet and the bore - nothing to do with the nose? Then "Full Patch" - meant the metal patch went all the way around the nose of the bullet. As far as I understood, was not same as "Full Metal Jacket" or "Solid" - those types of bullets not meant to expand in diameter on impact at all, which was a desirable characteristic, for several reasons and applications. It was not my understanding that "full patch" equated to not expanding - but maybe that is what it meant?
 
MiG25 said:
Back in the day, all the big companies loaded the popular cartridges with "Metal Patched" or "Full Patched" bullets (being FMJ), I don't know for certain but your ammo is probably pre WWII.
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Fox said:
Bingo

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9.3mauser said:
FMJ or "solids" were, if not common, at least readily available at one time. They're not reloads. Dominion/C.I.L. loaded them at least into the '60's, I'm not sure when Winchester and Remington stopped.
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Likely them.

Thanks for information!
 
Looking at the pictures - I presume the left picture is end of that box - appears to say "Soft Point" "Metal Patched" "Bullets" - I do not think that is a Full Metal Jacket bullet, nor a "Solid" - to me, the "Soft Point" implies it is intended to expand on impact.
 
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