Help me with this enfield

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Nisser17

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I just bought a Lee enfield . I am new to firearms and need some help with it

The markings on the barrel are BNP .303 with "surrey" stamped, the barrel has the original front sight with the guard around it.

the reciever is marked No 4 MK 1/2(F)FTR and N24 MK1ROF(F)9/43
serial # HC###XXA. the metal ring around the stock has the same serial # as does the bolt.

To me the Firearm looks to be all Number matching except for the stock has been changed.

Any help would be great a know nothing about this Rifle.

No pics sorry .

Thanks
 
ok so it's a full wood. which means bubba didn't play around with it. Everything except the stock matches which is important for collectors for price.

What the 4 1/2 means is the it is a type 4 mark 1 which was then convereted to a type 4 mark 2. I can't remember exactly what was changed but i am thinking it had to do something with the trigger.

uses a spike bayonet. ROF i think means royal ordance factory and it was made in 1943. I think. be a few people here who could help you with that. hope this little bit helps.
 
It's not full wood, the barrel is exposed but the barrel it's self looks stock and its long. the only thing changed is the wood I think.
Thanks for the info
 
British made No.4 Mk 1

Sounds like your rifle is a perfectly ordinary WWII surplus rifle that was released for commercial sale. The 1/2 tells me the receiver has had the trigger 'hanger' modified to attach the trigger to the receiver and not as originally built with the trigger on the separate trigger guard. It improves the trigger consistency. The FTR means the rifle was inspected and had a 'factory thorough repair' to bring it up to the specification of the day. Neither change means anything bad, just that it had all its proper checks done. The BNP and Surrey are commercial markings indicating it was proof tested and maybe brandnamed as a 'Surrey'. Pretty normal stuff.

The stock is probably a sporter style that stops partway down the barrel. With a new foreend, two handguards, two bands and a little ring to hold one handguard in place, you'll have a put-back-together No.4. Word of caution though, the No.4 Mk1 and Mk1* have a solid web across the back of the stock. The Mk1/2 and Mk1/3 don't have that web and use a different cross bolt.
 
Great thanks for the quick replies. The barrel is 24.5" long
What is this rifle worth it's in VG shape. I paid $150
 
"...No 4 MK 1/2..." That's the model and 'mark'. The trigger is on the receiver instead of the trigger guard.
"...BNP..." That stands for Birmingham Nitro Proof. There should be an 18 tons per Sq. In. or 18 tons per a wee box and a ". That's what the rifle was proofed at. English law required all surplus firearms to be proofed before they were sold by surplus wholesalers in England. It's not a military thing though.
"...FTR..." Means Factory Through Repair. The rifle was arsenal refurbished
"...ROF(F)9/43..." Arsenal rebuild at the Royal Ordnance Factory-Fazakerley in September of 1943. I'm not seeing 'N24' on the earthlink list though.
Check or have the headspace checked before you shoot it. Even though the S/N's match. You have no idea if some bozo has changed the bolt head at sometime since 1943.
Here's a few sites.
http://home.earthlink.net/~smithkaia8/index.html (great for markings)
http://www.303british.com/ (the best .303 British site)
http://www.surplusrifle.com/index.asp (Note the right side menu)
 
A No4 Enfield, sporterized, in good shape, is indeed worth about $150. If the barrel is full length, better not to cut it, an intact Lee Enfield can easily be returned to its full wood military look (which is a good thing in my opinion! :) )

Lou
 
Parker-Hale made up a whole bunch of sportered Number 4s as the SURREY model. Nice thing about them is that when they were released, they all had good barrels.

To restore this one, likely all you'll need is a suit of front wood and a couple of barrelbands.

As-is, these are a good hunting rifle.... and there is NUTHIN' wrong with the .303 cartridge. Canadian commercial loads with a 150-grain bulet used to closely approximate the .308W.

Your rifle will have Enfield-type rifling, which definitely prefers a flat-based bullet. It is quite surprising the accuracy that you can get with one of these.

Have fun, enjoy your toy. It is useful and historical, all at the same time!
 
S & K Scope Mounts will probably get the most votes. Google them, their web site provides all the info. I have an ATI scope mount on one of mine, I would probably prefer the S and K.

Lou
 
Well I went out this morning and fired 5 rounds. Recoil was minimal but damm this ##### was loud. Thanks again for all the help.
 
I believe you paid a normal price for a Sporterized Enfield No4 MkI in the shape you described. Sounds right.

I was wondering if it the rifleing is 2 groove or 5? I hear in the beginning they were being made they with 5 groove rifleing, but then to speed up production and getting them to the boys in the field faster, they went to 2 groove rifleing.
 
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