Help, my Ross MkIII M1910 bolt fell apart...

joelyknives

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It's scary as I have been shooting my Ross .303 and I have the stand up peep adjusted and locked in. I have achieved 100yd. 3 shot groups of 15/16 of an inch center to center. I was show and telling to a buddy and as I rapidly cycle the bolt to marvel at the smoothness ( I did not completely close-more of a short stroke) the firing pin/cocking piece assembly plopped out the back end. It is one of the pinned bolts if that matters but there is threading where the firing pin spring meets the cocking piece. It must thread in to the inner rotating portion of the bolt. It seems clear but what is the trick to get that threaded back in. I am the only one this happened to.
If anyone has info to share I would appreciate it. Thanks ahead.
Joel.
 
Sounds like the small football shaped keeper that locks the cocking piece to firing pin has gone away.

Or maybe the firing pin has snapped.

Any pictures?
 
JK
I am struggling to know what it is that you have in your hands.
IFF it is the whole firing pin, and spring as I suspect I can tell you what is wrong, why it came out and and how to fix it.
Best
Oldguncrank
 
Hello Oldguncrank, sorry for the late reply. I was out of internet for awhile. If you let me know your e-mail I could send pictures tomorrow as well.
Basically the whole firing pin/spring/cocking piece assy. slid out the back as if it had slowly unthreaded over time or a tiny piece that I don't know about has disintegrated. Just ahead of the cocking piece is a threaded section and a ring in front of that before the spring. Nothing seems broken as far as I can tell. It sounds like you've run in to this before. It seems unlikely there are any safety concerns as it can't fire in this condition and only an overpressure blown primer would blow it back... Please let me know. Thanks again. You could phone me at work 807-482-2754
Joel Morris glassarm1@hotmail.com
 
Have a look in the milsurp forum, one of the stickies is the Ross bolt dis-assembly. Sounds like your firing pin retainer became unthreaded - easy to fix....
 
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Sounds like Oldguncrank and cosmic are steering you right. Disassemble the rest of the bolt. If nothing is broken, put it back together as per bolt sticky in milsurps section.

Be sure to pay attention to the warnings about proper bolt assembly.
 
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Didn't realize that Stickey had a post so wrote this out.

OK JK, now that I know you have everything aft of the bolt in your hands,
here's the skit:

BTW all the mechanism is illustrated Ref: PP 114/115 Ross Rifle Story... Get a
copy! Bob McKormick, $120 +or - castregd@primus.ca

Remove the cross pin holding the cocking piece onto the firing pin and thus
compressing the firing pin spring et al.
In this case (only) you do it by clamping the cocking piece in a vice
(w/protection) and threading a piece of wire through the hole in the protruding
rear of the F/pin, and having made a loop big enough, pull the pressure off the
cross pin and push/tap out with a drift.

Now the spring wants to trap the wire and you will have to compress the spring
from the other end and remove the wire.

The whole works should come apart and MAKE NOTE of the two pieces (now) on top
of the spring.
On the (very) top of the spring there is a threaded "nut" with two bosses on the
top and two indents in the bottom.
Next, underneath, there SHOULD be a circular washer with a "bumpout" on one
edge, and with two ridges (one each side) on the top surface.

Now look inside the bolt.
STOP PRESS:
To get the bolt out of the housing, (NOTE THAT THE GAS VENT IS ON PORT (left) AS
YOU LOOK FORWARD on a fully compressed bolt assembly) put screw driver under
extractor head and turn slightly to disengage from bolt and pull out forward.
Pull out (unscrew)bolt head.
Now with the bolt in your hands, you will see threads AND a vertical indent to
take the bump on the washer (to keep the washer from turning as one threads in
the "nut)
The idea is that the washer engages the bolt, and it's ridges keep the "nut"
from unwinding.

Sometimes the ridges wear off, and sometimes the bump on the periphery is worn
or broken off, and if that is the case, the nut can back out.
That is the result with you now, so do a THOROUGH inspection before reassembly.

To put it all together one needs a "dog wrench" (my term) that will engage the
two bosses on the top of the "nut", and go on over the protruding firing pin,
and allow you to screw it back in (bump, bump,...), on top of the "locking"
washer, flush with the back of the bolt.
I have a stepped and drilled lugged nut, and "lugged screw driver with a hollow
handle, but you can make up a "tool" out of a piece of small steel tube, and cut
notches with a file and use vice grips to turn it on/in.
Grease the ridge to nut interface to avoid any (further damage) although they
are both hardened.

OK, the (complete) bolt is ready to put back in the housing.
Thread the bolt into the housing and PLAY (and PLAY) with it until the gas "port
is on port" (that's how you will always remember what is right) when it is FULLY
HOME. Now reinstall extractor. (reverse above).

Align the indent in the firing pin at 90 degrees(at the bottom) to the bolt.
('cause you are going to put the retaining cross pin through the cocking piece
and through the indent and you will need it all lined up or it won't go).

Place cocking piece in the bolt with chamfer face aft (sorry) and insert the
wire you saved from before.
Clamp the bolt carrier handle down, in a (protected) vice and using all three of
your hands pull the firing pin and cocking piece back until it clears the
carrier and insert the cross pin (without letting it fall on the floor).

Extend bolt (gas port up) and place in rifle.

#### and snap 10 times to build confidence of a job well done and
REMEMBER...ALWAYS fire the first round (from a new rifle or after working on
one) with the rifle at your side with action facing away.

Good luck
Cheers
Oldguncrank
 
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