Help needed....
- Thread starter flyfish_zen
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Proofs read as:
Wrist band reads:
(Crown proof)
E.R.
L.S.A.Co.L.
1906
SHT.L.E.
1*
The right rear of the bolt, on the cocking piece, reads:
(Broad Arrow proof)
(Crown proof)
98
B (Birmingham Small Arms "B")
Back side of the bolt handle is marked "Y" over 5737.
The safety is emblazoned "III"
The left of the receiver, right in front of the gas port, is marked:
(Crown proof)
E.R.
(Crossed flags)
P
To the left of that mark is:
(Crown proof)
X (L.S.A. proof)
67
Those same proofs are continued on the barrel, left side, just ahead of the receiver as:
(Crown Proof)
E.R.
(Crossed Flags)
P
(crown proof)
X
67
(Broad Arrow proof)
Just to the right of those proofs is:
(Crown Proof)
50
E
with a large "P" to the right of those marks.
Very light, and slight to the right of those proofs, near the flat on the chamber end of the barrel is:
(Crown proof)
VB
E
The right side of the barrel is marked near the flat at the chamber with two sets of proofs, the first (faint) reads:
(Crown proof)
C (may have been overstruck over an E or a K)
E
Below that proof, and right up to the receiver, are:
(Crown proof)
X
46
The SN is the same, and struck the same, on both the receiver and the barrel, right side, just above the stock line:
60526
K
The underside of the barrel, has a LOT of proofs. They read (left to right):
(Crown proof)
X
89
then,
(Crown proof)
X
89
then,
(Crown proof)
X
17
then,
(Crown proof)
39
E
then,
(Crown proof)
X
38
then,
double struck (Crown proof)
double struck X
double struck 61
then,
(Crown proof)
X
17
The rear barrel sight was removed, but just below where that sight would have been is the "HV" proof stamp.
The trigger guard is stamped on the bottom, center, with:
(Crown proof)
34
K (or X, very faint)
Right side of the trigger guard is stamped with an inverted "M", and a sideways "Z".
Trigger is broad arrow proofed on the left, and "35" on the right.
The charger on the bolt is stuck on the underside with crossed flags, and an illegible proof (looks like a bursting bomb), and topside with (Crown proof), over X, over 39.
The magazine release is marked with a broad arrow to the left, (Crown proof) over H2 over E on the right.
Sear is marked Broad arrow near the trigger connection (lower leg), upper leg is marked (Crown proof) over D8 (I think) over E.
Wrist band reads:
(Crown proof)
E.R.
L.S.A.Co.L.
1906
SHT.L.E.
1*
The right rear of the bolt, on the cocking piece, reads:
(Broad Arrow proof)
(Crown proof)
98
B (Birmingham Small Arms "B")
Back side of the bolt handle is marked "Y" over 5737.
The safety is emblazoned "III"
The left of the receiver, right in front of the gas port, is marked:
(Crown proof)
E.R.
(Crossed flags)
P
To the left of that mark is:
(Crown proof)
X (L.S.A. proof)
67
Those same proofs are continued on the barrel, left side, just ahead of the receiver as:
(Crown Proof)
E.R.
(Crossed Flags)
P
(crown proof)
X
67
(Broad Arrow proof)
Just to the right of those proofs is:
(Crown Proof)
50
E
with a large "P" to the right of those marks.
Very light, and slight to the right of those proofs, near the flat on the chamber end of the barrel is:
(Crown proof)
VB
E
The right side of the barrel is marked near the flat at the chamber with two sets of proofs, the first (faint) reads:
(Crown proof)
C (may have been overstruck over an E or a K)
E
Below that proof, and right up to the receiver, are:
(Crown proof)
X
46
The SN is the same, and struck the same, on both the receiver and the barrel, right side, just above the stock line:
60526
K
The underside of the barrel, has a LOT of proofs. They read (left to right):
(Crown proof)
X
89
then,
(Crown proof)
X
89
then,
(Crown proof)
X
17
then,
(Crown proof)
39
E
then,
(Crown proof)
X
38
then,
double struck (Crown proof)
double struck X
double struck 61
then,
(Crown proof)
X
17
The rear barrel sight was removed, but just below where that sight would have been is the "HV" proof stamp.
The trigger guard is stamped on the bottom, center, with:
(Crown proof)
34
K (or X, very faint)
Right side of the trigger guard is stamped with an inverted "M", and a sideways "Z".
Trigger is broad arrow proofed on the left, and "35" on the right.
The charger on the bolt is stuck on the underside with crossed flags, and an illegible proof (looks like a bursting bomb), and topside with (Crown proof), over X, over 39.
The magazine release is marked with a broad arrow to the left, (Crown proof) over H2 over E on the right.
Sear is marked Broad arrow near the trigger connection (lower leg), upper leg is marked (Crown proof) over D8 (I think) over E.
Here's what I need to identify and acquire, if possible:
The proper receiver sight to fit this?
Here are the measurements as I have them:
Has two horizontal holes D&T'd for a receiver sight; hole measurements are 0.60" outside to outside; 0.345" inside to inside; about .470-ish" center to center. Overall width of the receiver sight "base" is 0.840". Don't know whether it'd be a Redfield, Williams, or Lyman that'd be the right one, but perhaps the measurements and description of the mount area will help.
The proper receiver sight to fit this?
Here are the measurements as I have them:
Has two horizontal holes D&T'd for a receiver sight; hole measurements are 0.60" outside to outside; 0.345" inside to inside; about .470-ish" center to center. Overall width of the receiver sight "base" is 0.840". Don't know whether it'd be a Redfield, Williams, or Lyman that'd be the right one, but perhaps the measurements and description of the mount area will help.
Hi Flyfish Zen,
What you have is a not too common Lee Enfield No1 Mk1*, that preceeded the much much more common No1 Mk3*. The 1906 is its manufacture date, the ShtLE means "Short, Magazine, Lee Enfield".
It has been "sporterized" (I would say unfortunately), by cutting the forarm, removing the handgards and the rear sight, drilling and tapping the receiver, etc... and original parts for this model are hard to find.
Lou
What you have is a not too common Lee Enfield No1 Mk1*, that preceeded the much much more common No1 Mk3*. The 1906 is its manufacture date, the ShtLE means "Short, Magazine, Lee Enfield".
It has been "sporterized" (I would say unfortunately), by cutting the forarm, removing the handgards and the rear sight, drilling and tapping the receiver, etc... and original parts for this model are hard to find.
Lou
Right; understood and understandable.
OEM parts, are not on the "want to find" list; she is what she is, and as she is, she handles very, very well.
What I would like to find is that receiver sight that fits the hole spacing, contour, and profile of the marks, alterations, and holes currently on the rifle.
OEM parts, are not on the "want to find" list; she is what she is, and as she is, she handles very, very well.
What I would like to find is that receiver sight that fits the hole spacing, contour, and profile of the marks, alterations, and holes currently on the rifle.
- Location
- WMU248 near Edmonton
well that is something, too bad its sporterized, and your right no use dwelling on that issue.
Its a good sporter job, I suspect that it was done by a proper gunsmith in a comercial shop somewhere in England. The wood is well done, not a bubba job. But I'm guessing, may be a mark on the barrel to help out.
Now as for the rear sight, well I'm stumped there, Normally on an Enfield they mount on the other side of the reciever.
But nice pictures
Its a good sporter job, I suspect that it was done by a proper gunsmith in a comercial shop somewhere in England. The wood is well done, not a bubba job. But I'm guessing, may be a mark on the barrel to help out.
Now as for the rear sight, well I'm stumped there, Normally on an Enfield they mount on the other side of the reciever.
But nice pictures
Well - I have a No 1 Mk 111 that has a similar receiver mounting - on the right side. This type of mod was quite common - I believe one of the retail chains sold them years ago, as I have seen several. I dont have the rifle handy - but I believe it was a Lyman sight.
However, mine doesnt require the large recess in the wood as yours did, and the holes are in the radiused part of the receiver, so I suspect you have something more exotic. FWIW - If you get stuck, you could mount one of the more modern receiver sights such as Williams - the LE receiver radius is quite similar to other rifles, such as Mauser,etc.
However, mine doesnt require the large recess in the wood as yours did, and the holes are in the radiused part of the receiver, so I suspect you have something more exotic. FWIW - If you get stuck, you could mount one of the more modern receiver sights such as Williams - the LE receiver radius is quite similar to other rifles, such as Mauser,etc.
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- Location
- West coast of Vancouver Island
Most likely a Lyman No.57 rear sight.
No. 1 Lee-Enfields didn't have the rear sight on the receiver. However, Williams Gunsights makes one that does go on the receiver.
That's a commercial stock not a bubba'd milsurp stock. Looks like a former owner tried his hand at checkering though.
That's a commercial stock not a bubba'd milsurp stock. Looks like a former owner tried his hand at checkering though.
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- Location
- Shawinigan (Quebec)
I've seen such a rearsight setup on BSA modified Pattern 14 and 17 Enfied sporters.
Don't recall the brand but I think it was a Lyman.
PP.
Don't recall the brand but I think it was a Lyman.
PP.
