Help please with load data on 110 TSX in .308 win & 300win mag.

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Thinking about trying out some 110 gr TSX bullets in both my .308 win & 300win mag. (picked up 2 boxes from a friend)
Right now I cannot find my barnes manual.

What is the practical velocity you gents have attained with this bullet? I would love to drive these really fast but accuracy comes before speed. (Got mountain sheep and wolves on the brain.....)

Can anyone share a pet load for either caliber? I have many components on hand. Reloader 15, 19, 22, H4895, H4831sc
H414 Lots of different primers and brands of brass. Please be as specific as you can with weights of powder and OAL
ETC. Thanks in advance
Sarge
 
I have the #4 Barnes manuals and the lightest .308 TSX it mentions is the 130, but no matter, bullet weight rather than bullet construction is what primarily dictates the pressure of any given load; just use the on line data from the various powder manufacturers. Barnes lists data for the .308/110 TSX on their site under load data, but the powder options are extremely limited.
 
Suspect you should re-think an M1 Carbine bullet weight out of a .300 Mag.
Barnes' site gives 110 grain data, but not with any of those powders. Give 'em a call and ask. Buckets of 110 grain .308 data on Hodgdon's site.
No 110 grain .300 Mag data at all on Barnes' site. Fair bit on Hodgdon's, but not for a Barnes bullet.
 
Sunray, a 110 gr TSX is not limited to an M-1 Carbine. There is plenty of data for 110 gr bullet loads for the .308 and the .300 Winchester in both the Hornady and Speer Manuals, although the differences in the maximum loads made me reluctant to post them here.
 
I just can't imagine using bullets as light as 110 grains in either a 308 or a 300 WM. Even quite a light wind will blow them well off course. I will make an estimate that at 250 yards a well shaped 160 grain bullet in your 300 will have as good, or better, trajectory as the 110s and about 25 percent of the wind drift.
The speed will fall of so fast that at any longer range they will have very poor trajectory. I once experimented with 130 grain bullets in a 30-06, but gave them up because they had no advantage over 150 grain, but lots of disadvantages.
I once did a lot of experimental shooting with a 270 using 130 and 150 grain bullets of good design. At 500 yards the drop was almost identical and beyond 500 yards the 150 was superior.
 
These 110 TSX bullets theoretically can be driven as fast as the gun can shoot them. Plus they are actually quite long . (as long as some of my 150 gr bullets on hand - lead core) so I think wind drift may not be as bad as a shorter lead-core bullet. I only have the Lee , Barnes, and Nosler manual. I need the hornady and speer ones next.
 
I certainly must be on crack. I checked the Lee reloading book and they have the 110 gr TSX bullets in there. (6 powder choices for .308 win)
The velocities below were attained using factory pressure testing barrels, probably of a 24 or 26" length, so real world velocities may be less in your gun. Especially if the barrel is shorter. (my .308 has a 20" tube so I know I'll get less speed)
BL-C(2) start gr 48.0 (Listed at 3028 f/s) max gr 52.0 @61285 psi (list of 3268 f/s)
H4895 start gr 45.0 (Listed at 3010 f/s) max gr 49.0 @59496 psi (list of 3249 f/s)
Varget start gr 48.0c (compressed load listed at 3116 f/s) max gr 50.0c (compressed load @61762 psi. Listed at 3237 f/s)
H335 start gr 44.0 (Listed at 2974 f/s) max gr 48.0 @60569 psi (list of 3210 f/s)
H4198 start gr 37.0 (Listed at 2950 f/s) max gr 40.0 @60808 psi (list of 3143 f/s)
H322 start gr 42.0 (Listed at 2988 f/s) max gr 45.0 @ 61762 psi (list of 3237 f/s)
All loads have a listed OverAll Length (OAL) of 2.800"

As for the .300 win mag, they list a 110 gr jacketed bullet, but no X bullet data. Oh well, I'll keep looking. The velocity of those is over 3650 f/s so that sounds decent speed for those little suckers.
First 2 loads for JACKETED BULLETS are H4895 Start gr 60.0 @3331 f/s and max gr 67.0 for 3665 f/s @ 60919 psi. (minimum OAL 3.215")
Varget start gr 67.0 @3391 Max gr 72.5 @3660 @61274 psi (minimum OAL of 3.215")

Does anyone have a ballistics calculator that will estimate the bullet energy using any of the above loads for .308 win? I'd love to know what it registers at going 100, 200, and 300 yards. Those are my usually max hunting distances. (for wolves, I open that up to about 500 cause I have a better , long distance scope on my wolf gun) AND because those little devils are HARD to close distance on. (without a snowmobile, and I don't like guys running down game with machines)
 
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Go to JBM Calculations, plug in ballistic data such as the bullet weight and style, the velocity, and your rifle's data such as the height of your sights or scope above bore center, and it will spit out not only the kinetic energy at the muzzle, but at the range increments you decide, along with the bullet drop and wind drift.
 
I have shot the 110 TTSX at 3600fps along side a 264 Win mag shooting 140 Amax bullets at 3200fps. With both sighted in 2 inches high @ 100 yds the drop is the same at 4, 5 and 600 yds. 3, 5 and 7 moa on the dials. Both slap the 600 yd plate hard.

Take it for what it's worth from someone that actually shoots just about every new offering to hit the store, not data taken from a chart, or some parroted drivel posted on a site by some bs artist that does the vast majority of their shooting at a keyboard.
 
Now I picked up a single shot .30-30 and want to give these 110 grainers a shot out of the old Handi-rifle. I think they would be more reasonable out of the .30-30 and give it a lot more utility, not to mention SPEED. Probably get these up to 2800 f/s out of the .30-30 if I carefully work them up.
 
Light for caliber monolithic bullets perform far better than most folks who never try them could imagine.
Take for example using a 100gr. original Barnes X out of a .270Win. Out of a 22" barrel the load used ran just under 3500fps.
The shooter is my wife, she harvested 2 moose, numerous deer, 1 black bear and 1 antelope with this combination.

It's hard to understand for those used to conventional bullets that with near perfect weight retention that the monolithic's can and do perform like Nosler Partition's which weigh 20-25% more.

To explain this, I will say I was un convinced when I had the conundrum of my wife getting scope kissed, and getting an outrageous flinch, that no matter what I tried she couldn't overcome.

I tried loading some varmint bullets out of her .270, and her form got far better, but that's fine for practice, what about big game?
The Internet was in its infancy back then so it was time to search printed catologues and the like.
I ordered up some Barnes X 100gr., and lo and behold a just under max load of IMR 4350, yielded exceptional accuracy out of that .270.
I still had my misgivings especially on larger critters than deer, though.
I've known that the 130gr Partition was a solid performer in the .270 for larger game, so I set up a head to head challenge.
I loaded up some Partition 130's for a muzzle velocity of around 3000fps, and I also loaded some of those 100gr. X's to around 3500fps. This gave 100yard impact energies of about 2250ftlb, or there abouts + or -.
I then made up 2 identical expansion boxes made of water logged catologues. They were assembled as such. 1, 3/4" catologue, then 1 piece of 3/8"OSB, followed by more soaked catologues to fill out the 24" of box.
The catologues had been soaked in my bath tub over night , and rotated at least 3 times over the period, all the catologues were very thoroughly soaked, and it took many trips with them in garbage bags to get them all out to the truck.
I assembled the expansion boxes at the 100 yard target line at the range, and then fired a shot from each loading into the center of each box (after confirming zero on paper for each load)
My notes indicate the following.
100gr. X: 14" penetration, 99% weight retention(99gr), frontal diameter 0.8"-1".
130gr. Part.: 13" penetration, 67% retention(87gr), frontal diameter 0.5-0.6"

Holy cow, I could drop, some 23% in bullet weight, and yield near identical results!

My wife went on to shoot her first moose that fall, a nice meat animal at about 65yds, it simply lunged forward once hit, nosed in, and died from the double lung shot, which exited.

I see no reason why 110gr TSX's in 30 cal. would be a whole lot different than my experience with original X's. if someone made something like a 140gr Partition in .30 cal. I'd expect they'd perform similarly.

What sort of accuracy you'll get is up to the rifle to decide, mind you.

As for .300 Win Mag, loading, I think you'll find some pretty wonky pressures and the like, that's a pretty light pill, for a pretty large combustion chamber... But you won't know till you try.

Report your results, we seldom here how stuff turns out for guys around here.
 
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