Help requested on milsurp values

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Hello fellow CGNers,

I am re-focusing my collection and as such I am thining out the herd. I was hoping you fine gents could help me establish some potential values on the following milsurps:

Walther P38, Berthier M1907/15 Forestry carbine, Mannlicher M95M sporter

The Walther P38 is cyq made in 1943 and is matching numbers with the exception of the magazine which is stamped "p38y" on the spine. Overall condition very good with some holster wear on the barrel and slide. Bore I would rate as good with some wear. She is one accurate pistol too.

The second would be a M1907/15 Berthier, receiver made at Etts Continsouza that was converted to the forestry carbine pattern in 1948 by Turkey. The overall condition fair to good with some wear and tear from usage. The bolt is matching to the conversion and is the lowest serial number I have seen of these, # 422. The bore is fair to good. There is a "bore ring" present about 4-5" back from the muzzle and a small bulge on the barrel in that area. I have a feeling this ring is from French WW1 service but that is only a guess. I read that only ~5000 of these French rifles were converted to this pattern

The third milsurp on the list is a Budapest M95M that was lightly sporterized at one point. I was planning on restoring her to complete M95M configuration but my plans have changed for this one. Bore is very good with hardly any wear, the crown looks excellent as well. The tangent rear sight has some possible battle damage as it is slighty bent up in the middle. However, the slide still works perfectly. The numbers doesn't match on this one but the important items, including the extractor and magazine en-bloc clip, are present.

I will have some pictures up soon for those interested.

I appreciate the help, thank you for your thoughts.
 
Hello fellow CGNers,

I am re-focusing my collection and as such I am thining out the herd. I was hoping you fine gents could help me establish some potential values on the following milsurps:

Walther P38, Berthier M1907/15 Forestry carbine, Mannlicher M95M sporter

The Walther P38 is cyq made in 1943 and is matching numbers with the exception of the magazine which is stamped "p38y" on the spine. Overall condition very good with some holster wear on the barrel and slide. Bore I would rate as good with some wear. She is one accurate pistol too.

The second would be a M1907/15 Berthier, receiver made at Etts Continsouza that was converted to the forestry carbine pattern in 1948 by Turkey. The overall condition fair to good with some wear and tear from usage. The bolt is matching to the conversion and is the lowest serial number I have seen of these, # 422. The bore is fair to good. There is a "bore ring" present about 4-5" back from the muzzle and a small bulge on the barrel in that area. I have a feeling this ring is from French WW1 service but that is only a guess. I read that only ~5000 of these French rifles were converted to this pattern

The third milsurp on the list is a Budapest M95M that was lightly sporterized at one point. I was planning on restoring her to complete M95M configuration but my plans have changed for this one. Bore is very good with hardly any wear, the crown looks excellent as well. The tangent rear sight has some possible battle damage as it is slighty bent up in the middle. However, the slide still works perfectly. The numbers doesn't match on this one but the important items, including the extractor and magazine en-bloc clip, are present.

I will have some pictures up soon for those interested.

I appreciate the help, thank you for your thoughts.
I would quote the berthier $250 max, the M95 at $175. No idea on the P38 since i'm not in pistol business.
Jocelyn
 
Thank you for your thoughts, Jocelyn.

I am in agreement with the Berthier value. As for the P38, there seems to be two sides to the same value coin: Walther and Mauser made examples versus Spreewerke examples. I forgot to mention that the dirty birds on this cyq are intact and not peened. She is also not a rc capture P38 for those wondering nor shows any signs of post WW2 military use.
 
Spreewerk produced ~285000 pistols. The factory was actually located in Hradek nad Nisou in what was then Czechoslovakia. Magazines were not serial matched save in police examples. Mag marking is usually "P.38" or "P.38v" Original Spreewerk mags have no "P.38" designations only the waffen "E88" on the spine. Your mag is most likely a Walther or Mauser made item. Any WaA or "E###" markings on the mag?

A clean, unmodified, serially matched CYQ with a decent bore should bring $450.00 - $500.00
 
WaA-135 is found on BYF P-38's, I agree with the 450 to 500 depending on percent of blueing remaining and if the grip plates are original and unchipped. Used to go for more but not now.
 
Spreewerk produced ~285000 pistols. The factory was actually located in Hradek nad Nisou in what was then Czechoslovakia. Magazines were not serial matched save in police examples. Mag marking is usually "P.38" or "P.38v" Original Spreewerk mags have no "P.38" designations only the waffen "E88" on the spine. Your mag is most likely a Walther or Mauser made item. Any WaA or "E###" markings on the mag?

A clean, unmodified, serially matched CYQ with a decent bore should bring $450.00 - $500.00

I thought that Spreewerke was located in Berlin-Spandau, on the river Spree?

I agree with a $500-$600 valuation for one inoriginal, matching, VG condition.
 
Thank you for the values, gents. I'll be putting the milsurps up for grabs later today and your estimated values are almost bang on with what I am thinking.
 
Yeah that confused me as well until I asked around and some fellow collectors were able to set the record straight.

Apparently, the main offices were in Berlin but the actual production plant was in Czechoslovakia.

She, along with the other milsurps, are on the EE and are up for grabs for those interested.
 
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