HELP to ID and Value... 303 rifle Last one

[garbal]

Last one... 303 rifle found up in the rafters...

RE Markings Bolt receiver and barrel numbers are all the same.

I'm sure one of you smart people know what this is.

Thanks for your help.

Garr.

 

[Hitzy]

Remington Pattern 14 sporter, if the front sight is still intact it could be restored.
$300 give or take.

 

[Potashminer]

The RE in oval says it was made by Remington - is / was a WWI P14. Flip up the rear ladder sight so ladder is standing upright - will be a serial number on the front top face - will be the fourth place that the serial number was stamped on P14. I have an Eddystone made one - last three digits of the receiver serial number are stamped in the wood of the barrel channel of the fore stock - I have several other stocks, likely by other makers, that do not have that, so maybe not all three makers did that.

Your pictures do not show the front sight - whether original military, altered military or after market. These P14 and sister M1917 in 30-06 were sold off as military surplus after WWII, I think - are very strong actions - many were converted to various belted magnums after a barrel change. Perhaps 50% or so of the parts will be functionally interchangeable with same part on M1917 - even in WWI, never did get to 100% "drop in" interchangeabilty of parts between P14's made by Eddystone, Winchester and Remington.

I think I see an asterisk - like a * - on the top of the receiver - that shows it has the Mk.1 modification - look at rear of barrel - originals had flat face around chamber - the Mk.1 had a groove cut around chamber on rear barrel face from about 9 o'clock to about noon - was for the extended left bolt lug on the Mk. 1. I think the "asterisk" was stamped on receiver top, bolt handle, extractor and beside the cartouche on the butt stock. Not certain whether it was also stamped on the barrel or not.

Unlike a Mauser or many modern rifles, that one will have "helical breeching" - operate the bolt handle slowly - you will see that the bolt body continues to advance forward right up until the handle hits its stop - so is the only handle position to get an accurate "head space" reading - Mausers and others do not have helical breeching like those "Enfield" P14, M1917, and the various Lee Enfield rifles did.

 

[Snider shooter]

Enfield P -14 made by Remington during WW1 for England. Definitely sporterized.

 

[louthepou]

Buggered up rear sight, i'd take $50 off for that

 

[Potashminer]

Buggered up rear sight, i'd take $50 off for that

Battle sight had someone's attention for sure! Missing the little screw that prevents rear sight ladder slide from coming off - is several here, but none have rear sight slide on ladder that look like that. Can not tell if that ladder has the matching serial number or not - top front.

 

[bearhunter]

That rear sight has been completely bubbaed to resemble a V notch, couldn't even save it with parts.

IMHO even with a non cut barrel, $200 and if the barrel is cut less.

The only real value in that rifle is the receiver/bolt/trigger guard/screws.

 

[Hitzy]

Stock looks cracked behind the tang too.
Keep posting pics, value is down to about $150 now lol.

 

[Pblatzz]

$200, P-14 rifles had the barrel, receiver, bolt, and rear sight serialized. It might be worth restoring if you can get the parts from the US. Liberty tree collectors
have "British P14 Rifle Stock w/Disc" stocks. It would run around $350 USD "if" you could get most of the parts.

But then it's a De-sporterized rifle... Restore a family heirloom, or make it into a piece holder in a collection, even a shooter..

 

[Potashminer]

$200, P-14 rifles had the barrel, receiver, bolt, and rear sight serialized. It might be worth restoring if you can get the parts from the US. Liberty tree collectors
have "British P14 Rifle Stock w/Disc" stocks. It would run around $350 USD "if" you could get most of the parts.

But then it's a De-sporterized rifle... Restore a family heirloom, or make it into a piece holder in a collection, even a shooter..

You are correct about the four serial numbers, but then for P14 and M1917, each part except screws, pins and coil springs was also stamped with a marker's mark - so if an Eddystone receiver, an "all matching" also has about 50 other parts, each with an "E" on them. Not "R" or "W", nor with a USA eagle head acceptance marking - that last would mean it was for an M1917 - not for a P14. When I was ordering parts for these from Numrich in USA - was no choice about maker marks - got whatever came out of the bin. Several rear hand guards arrived - I had ordered for P14 using their part number - all were M1917 hand guards - and, after pictures, they agreed, but only had M1917 hand guards in either bin, they said.

Is also a list in one of the books here that some parts - like sling swivels - are also the same - could be considered "interchangeable - Lee Enfield SMLE, P14 and M1917. But not used on an "all matching" piece. Several M1917 that I bought have clear "P14" stamped on front sight insert.

 

[Pblatzz]

You are correct about the four serial numbers, but then for P14 and M1917, each part except screws, pins and coil springs was also stamped with a marker's mark - so if an Eddystone receiver, an "all matching" also has about 50 other parts, each with an "E" on them. Not "R" or "W", nor with a USA eagle head acceptance marking - that last would mean it was for an M1917 - not for a P14. When I was ordering parts for these from Numrich in USA - was no choice about maker marks - got whatever came out of the bin. Several rear hand guards arrived - I had ordered for P14 using their part number - all were M1917 hand guards - and, after pictures, they agreed, but only had M1917 hand guards in either bin, they said.

Is also a list in one of the books here that some parts - like sling swivels - are also the same - could be considered "interchangeable - Lee Enfield SMLE, P14 and M1917. But not used on an "all matching" piece. Several M1917 that I bought have clear "P14" stamped on the front sight insert.

Swivels and band screws, volley sight pointer pivot screws, foresight blade elements, and butt marking discs P-14, M1917(if applicable), and the SMLE(No1MkIII*) are the only common parts. The P14 and the M1917 have very common parts and apart from manufacturer markings, the only parts that are non-interchangeable are the bolt, extractor, rear sight (two different calibers), box magazine, box magazine floor plate, follower, and trigger guards. There are also issues with the different firing pins too. The M1917 is slightly narrower than the P14 pin where it protruded the bolt face.

Stocks and handguards are the same internal dimensions.

The three stock types:

1) P-14 The fat boy stock, thicker and an angle cut for the volley sights. No finger grooves.

2) P-14 The finger groove stock c/w volley sight plate is notched in a similar way to the SMLE(No1MkIII*)

3) US M1917 finger groove stock, No volley sights…

Repaired P-14 rifles (and most were) were either sliced back together or were repaired and had a M1917 stock on. Most had the volley sight arm removed on the forestock and the peep cut from the bolt stop spring rest. If you see a P-14 in a stock without the volley plate. the stock has been replaced.

 

[Pblatzz]

P-14 stock types

Top is the fat boy