Help to identify this Mosin Nagant (M91)

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I bought a Mosin Nagant from the Wolverine lottery 2 weeks ago. Awesome service + packaging btw :)

It's a Remington 1916 that appears to be M91 not 91/30 ( the barrel is 31" 1/2 long). Stock have the early barrel band also. Tell me if I'm wrong

Also it has a stamp SA in a box on the receiver, could it be a Finnish capture ? all serial are mismatch, bolt is re-stamp to match the receiver.

Is it the arshini old Russian measure also ?

The stock took quite a beat up but the bore is still good/fair with pitting tho.

Shootable ?

Thanks to all the living database who can answer my question ! :D

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I have your sister Remington M91 from the same year though she went a different path by being captured by the Germans. She did end up with the Finns as well so it is nice to see another rifle that went a similar path after WW1.

It is interesting to see that the Russian arshinis have not been struck out on your rear sight. Is there another set of smaller numbers stamped on the right side of the rear sight base (2, 3, 4, 5 1/2...etc) ? These would be the Finnish added sight graduations that use the original sight but calibrated in meters and not Russian arshins.

Stock looks to be the dark American walnut type so it could be the original one to the rifle.

All in all, a nice score, these American contract made M91s are very well made and frankly under appreciated in the collector market.

Let us know how she shoots :).
 
It look like it's indeed the original stock :)
And no it doesn't have metric or yard conversion on the right side of the sight base ...

Amazingly fast answer poped, I love CGN :)

Will shoot it in a week hehe

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SA85M1 said:
Yup,..Finnish capture Remington M91...would not hurt to have the headspace and the firing pin protrusion checked,but likely she's safe to fire!
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Finnish never capture M91, they used that rifle from the beginning. Finns used to be part of Russian Empire and were armed with M91s.

The rifle is a very good find because:

1) Most Remingtons are gone by now
2) Original stock is almost impossible to find (Finns often repair them with new stocks)
3) The old marking on rear sights is not removed (often done when they bought surplus M91 after WWI)

Interesting to find if the rifle has original bolt and mag.
 
Beautiful stock cartouche, my Remington has had her stock swapped with a Russian Izhevsk example that has the German property cartouche on the butt stock.

It is nice to see what the original stock would have looked like by examining your rifle.

Are you able to take a picture of the front sight ? I am curious if the Finns replaced the shorter blade with their taller one as they did on my example.

Also, has the bore been counter bored ?
 
Nabs said:
Beautiful stock cartouche, my Remington has had her stock swapped with a Russian Izhevsk example that has the German property cartouche on the butt stock.

It is nice to see what the original stock would have looked like by examining your rifle.

Are you able to take a picture of the front sight ? I am curious if the Finns replaced the shorter blade with their taller one as they did on my example.

Also, has the bore been counter bored ?
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Will be at home tomorrow, I wil take more picture for sure. I'm pretty sure it' s not counter bored :)
 
Nabs said:
Beautiful stock cartouche, my Remington has had her stock swapped with a Russian Izhevsk example that has the German property cartouche on the butt stock.

It is nice to see what the original stock would have looked like by examining your rifle.

Are you able to take a picture of the front sight ? I am curious if the Finns replaced the shorter blade with their taller one as they did on my example.

Also, has the bore been counter bored ?
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Wow. I have an even closer relative to yours Nabs than to Kohrs. I have a 1916 Remington SA stamped and with the "D" in an Izhevsk stock with the German Reich mark on the stock. The arshins are crossed out and the Finn graduations are on the right hand side. My bolt is force matched and the mag floorplate is crossed out.
I've been told by other Mosin fanatics that mine was most likely captured by the Germans, who then gave it with thousands of others to the Finns.
Kohrs rifle looks to have the original walnut stock.
I don't want to hijack the thread, but this looks like a good place to post some pics of M-91's.
The mystery mark on mine is a modern Izhevsk stamp on rear sight leaf. Is it possible it was re-captured by the Russians late in it's life?
C'mon Nabs. I want to see the twin. Pics please.
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Its the original walnut stock indeed :)

Unless I'm dreaming, the bore looks also original, it wasn't counterbore.

Thanks for posting pictures of yours, my rifle is pleased to have family relative in Canada XD.

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"Originally Posted by Nabs View Post:
Are you able to take a picture of the front sight ? I am curious if the Finns replaced the shorter blade with their taller one as they did on my example."

I FORGOT ! oups, tomorrow, it's late now ^^ ( you can see a bit in the full view of the rifle tho)
 
Nice pictures! Mine has an awesome bore too. I hope Nabs is as fortunate as we are. The metal sling inserts on my stock have the old Izhevsk bow and arrow mark on them. Does yours have the Remington R mark on them?
 
Not uncommon to see finn capture rifles with mismatched parts,I was fortunate to find a Remington M91 that was not a Finn capture,matching,.. with a damn nice walnut stock..
 
I did not want to hijack the thread but here are some file photos of my Remington M91 example.

The stock, strangely, has the Deutsches Reich cartouche on both sides of the stock. The butt plate also has a German artillery and repair depot marking as well as the armourer's initial. I don't have my book with me so I can't check to see where the depot was located.

The stock also sports a Finnish soldier's intials carved into the right side just below the rear sight, these are "S.H.". The stock is Izhevsk marked on the butt plate and has had the Finnish sling swivel ports and swivels added on. The top hand guard is a Finnish made replacement.

Does anyone know what the "S / 998(?)86" refers to on the butt stock ?

The receiver has the "SA" mark along with the Finnish "D" mark.

The rear sight has the Russian arshins lined out with the Finnish graduations on the right side.

The bolt is the original one to the rifle and it is extremely smooth to operate so I have a great respect for the American contract rifles and Remington in particular.

The bore on this example has been counter bored about 0.5".

The front sight blade is a Finnish tall replacement.

One feature I find quite visually appealing is the early style upper and lower bands with the locking screw exposed. I can see where they can break but I prefer the look of these early style bands to the later closed ones.

I have yet to get her out to the range but that is one of my goals when I go back home and get some free time.

kohr varik, looks like your Remington has the original front sight blade. I believe these will shoot differently as they were sighted in with the bayonet mounted (not sure if that is how Remington did it though). The bore on your rifle has not been counter bored and looks rather nice. Same with the crown.

The stock is just gorgeous. I don't care that it is beat up, the fact that it is the original one to the rifle is quite impressive. The stock cartouche is a real eye catcher for sure.

Chumlee, the three digit serial number is very cool on your Remington and she is also a very nice example.

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