Help with 1858 Reminton "with pictures"

Mean Steak

Mean Steak

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So I have recently purchased an original 1858 revolver. I am eager to find out as much information about it as possible. Colt has a service where you get a brief rundown regarding the history of your pistol. Remington as far as I know doesn't have this service. I'm hopping someone here can educate me as to when it was made as well as where it might have been.

For starters, its serial number on the bottom of the barrel is 1044xx and 1045xx under the left grip panel. Close, but I assume it was made frome two revolvers?

The top of the barrel reads...

Patented Sept. 14 1858

E. Remington & Sons Ilion New York U.S.

??? Model

There are two R's on the cylinder wall. Also, there is a D on the trigger guard, the right side of the frame and right side of the barrel. Then a W on the left side of the frame by the hammer.
Also there is a car-touche on the left grip that starts with a C however I cannot get it to show up in the pictures.

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Any help would be appreciated.
Best Regards

Dave
 
Remington ID

There is a Remington collector's web site you can Google. Or try the Winchester Museum in Cody, Wyoming.

Either way, it's a piece of crap and I'll happily relive you of the burden of ownership for $100.

Todd
 
You can go on a forum similar to CGN called 1858remington.com there are a lot of knowledgeable folks on that site that can help you out.
That is a great looking gun and it probably has a history behind it well worth looking into.
 
Mean Streak,

Congratulations on finding a nice honest Remington New Model Army Revolver.
One of the major handguns of the Civil War, the New Model Army was the stiffest competitor to Colt's Model 1860 Army. (Production approx.106,000)

The barrel address would read;
Patented Sept. 14 1858
E.Remington & Sons, Ilion, NewYork, U.S.A./New Model.

The initials seen on various areas of the gun are sub-inspector's initials.
This was all part of the inspection process.

Government inspector stamping on the left grip (initials within the cartouche)
I can't help you with the grip marking as there were numerous inspectors.

Colt serial numbers will help you date a gun; I don't know how you date this Remington.

If you find out...please let me know, as I own S/N 107274.

David

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I have never taken the grips off this Remington....nor will I.
Inspector’s acceptance cartouche on the left grip panel “OWA”, for Orville W. Ainsworth, U.S. Army inspector for many different arms, 1831-1870.
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There are web sites that list U.S. inspectors of different arms with their initials.
You need to check these to see if you can identify the initials on the grip of your gun.
Perhaps the 58 Remington site can help you as was suggested above.
 
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Sharps '63 said:
There is a Remington collector's web site you can Google. Or try the Winchester Museum in Cody, Wyoming.

Either way, it's a piece of crap and I'll happily relive you of the burden of ownership for $100.

Todd
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Would the winchester museum have Remingtons records?
Thanks for the offer but I think I'll hold onto it LOL

Skinny 1950 said:
You can go on a forum similar to CGN called 1858remington.com there are a lot of knowledgeable folks on that site that can help you out.
That is a great looking gun and it probably has a history behind it well worth looking into.
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Thanks I'll give them a try. I agree if this old revolver could talk the stories it could tell.
 
The book REMINGTON ARMY and NAVY PISTOLS 1861-1888 by Don Ware has the serial # info for 1858 Remington Revolvers you are looking for. Unfortunately I do not have a copy.

Regards,
Powderman
 
drm3m said:
Mean Streak,

Congratulations on finding a nice honest Remington New Model Army Revolver.
One of the major handguns of the Civil War, the New Model Army was the stiffest competitor to Colt's Model 1860 Army. (Production approx.106,000)

The barrel address would read;
Patented Sept. 14 1858
E.Remington & Sons, Ilion, NewYork, U.S.A./New Model.

The initials seen on various areas of the gun are sub-inspector's initials.
This was all part of the inspection process.

Government inspector stamping on the left grip (initials within the cartouche)
I can't help you with the grip marking as there were numerous inspectors.

Colt serial numbers will help you date a gun; I don't know how you date this Remington.

If you find out...please let me know, as I own S/N 107274.
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You have a very nice revolver. If i find anything out I will definatley let you know. I am off to try the 1858 web site.
 
powderman said:
The book REMINGTON ARMY and NAVY PISTOLS 1861-1888 by Don Ware has the serial # info for 1858 Remington Revolvers you are looking for. Unfortunately I do not have a copy.

Regards,
Powderman
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Awsome, I think I will try amazon or ebay to track a copy down. Thank you

SIGP2101 said:
Yours is third or fourth contract made in 1863. Majority was made that year.
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Awsome, so its definatley a civil war era gun!
 
Mean Steak,

If you think the grip cartouche on your revolver begins with the initial “C”

There is one inspector listed below that inspected the NMA Remingtons with the initial”C”….unless it is a “G”?

NOTE;
Re: Who used the "CGC" Cartouche on the 1st Revolver Contract?
I discussed this issue with Don Ware and he assured me that it was not a mistake. The following quote from Don convinced me.
"This cartouche has been identified as C. G. Curtis. Curtis was the first of many inspectors assigned to Remington's two revolver facilitates during the Civil War. I was fortunate to locate a copy of a letter from Curtis sent to W.A. Thornton on July 3, 1862, in which he identifies himself as a Principal Sub-Inspector."
I'm convinced,
Mike Strietbeck

*C.G.Curtis does not appear on the list below.


CGC C.G. Chandler Remington Beals .36 and .44 Remington M1861, 44 3Rd Model Dragoon.
DD Daniel Dunsmore Gunner, USN Remington Revolvers 1861-1868.
DFC David F. Clark Remington-Lee, Hotchkiss Rifles, Colt, Starr, Remington and Savage Revolvers, Colt Gatling Guns 1861-1886.
GEC G.B. Cruzen Remington M1861 New Model Revolver 1861.
GG Guert Gansevoort Cdr., USN Remington New Model Percussion Revolvers, Colt and Whitney Converted Revolvers, Dahlgren Bayonets, Ames Cutlass Aston M1842 Pistol 1850-1861.
GP Giles Porter Remington New Model and Pettengill Revolvers 1862-1875.
GRC Unknown Remington New Model .44 Revolvers.
HBJ H.B. Johnson Remington Beals Navy Revolver 1862.
JTB James T. Baden Lt., USA Remington, Starr and Savage Revolvers 1862-1864.
JWK John W. Kelly Lt., USN Remington and Starr .44 Revolvers 1853-1864.
JWR James W. Reilly Maj., USA Remington .44 Revolvers 1859-1895.
OWA O.W. Ainsworth, Colt M 1873 SAA Revolvers # 179 to 14###, Smith & Wesson N0.3 .44 M1869, Remington and Colt Percussion and Conversion Revolvers, Colt Gatling Guns 1831-1870.
RPB R.P. Barry Capt., USA Remington, Starr, Rogers & Spencer Revolvers 1860-1865.
SC Silas Crispin Capt., USA Remington M1861 Revolvers 1862.
WAT William anderson Thornton Capt., USA Nippes M1840 Musket, Ames, Aston R. Johnson & Waters Pistols and Massachusetts Arms Adams, Remington Beals, Savage, Colt, Paterson, Walker and Dragoon Revolvers, Joslyn Carbines, Colt Revolving Rifles 1840-1861.
WC William Cadwell Remington Beals .44 Percussion Revolvers 1860-1861.

These are the inspectors that handled Remington c&b revolvers in .44

David

This list came from the Remington Society web site.
 
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