help with 30-06 load

I've never had a 30-06 that wouldn't shoot very well with 54-56 grains of either 4350 underneath a 165 of decent construction. I always load close to the lands unless the magazine is very short; I've only encountered that problem once, with a Remington Mountain Rifle with a very long throat.
 
EVERY 30-06 I have shot 57 gr of IMR or H4350 in with 180 gr Partitions or Speer Hot Cores, has gone close to, or a tad over, 2800 fps with magnum primers....and been more than accurate enough for hunting big game to well beyond 300 meters.

This in at least twenty rifles over the past fifty years.
Ted
 
I am using 59 grains of W760 behind the 165 Partition in my 700SSDM.[Please start at 55 grains and work up safely]

This load chronys right at 2925, and is sub-moa.

Brass lasts forever, and it just plain works well.

Another one is 58 grains of Higginson's 47N behind the 165...similar velocity and right on MOA.

Regards, Dave.
 
W760 is a great powder for 30-06 with 165 and 180 gr bullets. Works great in 9.3x62 also.

IMR4350 was crap in my first 30-06 thirty years ago and i never got around to trying it in a 30-06 again. Use it in other cartridges but not the '06.
 
Quit worrying so much about velocity, especially published velocities, and concentrate on the most accurate load out of your rifle. Published velocities reflect the conditions on the day of the test and with the rifle or universal receiver used, only. Velocity isn't anywhere near as important as accuracy.
IMR4064 works well with 165's(and 168 grain match bullets. Match bullets not being made for hunting.). It gives more consistent accuracy than either 4895 too. Uses a bit less powder as well.
Where'd you get the idea that 59 grains of IMR4350 won't be given as a 165 grain load? Hodgdon's site gives 56 to 60 grains of IMR4350 for a 165.
 
My hornady book says 57 max for imr 4350 and 58.9 max for h4350

Nosler imr 4350 max is 57 and h4350 max is 57.5

Speer says 58 for both h and imr 4350.

These are all the newer manuals I am sure some of the old ones have higher loads.
 
hometownhero said:
My hornady book says 57 max for imr 4350 and 58.9 max for h4350

Nosler imr 4350 max is 57 and h4350 max is 57.5

Speer says 58 for both h and imr 4350.

These are all the newer manuals I am sure some of the old ones have higher loads.
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The more I see of my Hornady manual the more I'm convinced that they're all on drugs. There's some pretty wonky loads in there.
 
Thanx everyone for your experiences I will have to play around a bit more to see if I can get a good comprimise.

Lou..
 
My 7600 carbine loves 56gr of Accurate 4350 with Hornady 180gr BTSP. No chrono, but paper results are well under an inch at 100.
 
Appears I am in the same ball park as many others as I have used 57grs. of IMR 4350 under 165 gr. partitions for many years with great results. They are accurate out of my M-70s.
 
I would actually look first what bullet wt. likes the rifle first. Some are hard to make shoot 165's consistently, because of the 1:10 twist but -06 are well known to like 180's. The hell with velocity, when 180 grain bullet hits a deer or moose, it won't care if it came in @2650 or 2800fps. I tried to develop a load for my A-Bolt with 165, it was marginal but when I loaded up 180's it was a different story. 55gr. IMR4350 and she is happening @ 2750 FPS. That is what the rifle likes and is most dependable so that is what I shoot.
 
OP, you are giving way to little information for anyone to make even a close guess..

Twist rate. Barrel length. Primers. Actual group size. How clean the bore is(copper fouled).

I have a couple of 30-06 rifles with 26 in barrels and get just slightly over the 2800fps with Speer GS bullets and 58.0 grains of H4350 over standard CCI 200 primers. 1-10 twist rate in the Ruger #1 and 1-12 twist rate in the brno. As you mentioned, accuracy left a lot to be desired. 2-3 moa.

I switched to 59gr of H414SL10 and gained about 75 fps on average, used magnum primers because it's a ball type powder for better ignition. H414sl10 is about 1% slower than W760 but IMHO way more consistent. The rate of burn is also just about identical to both IMR and H 4350. Maybe just a hair faster. Pressures are likely a bit over 50,000 psi though. The thing is, accuracy is sub moa.

If I can make a suggestion, switch to magnum primers with your same 56gr load. Some place along the way you have either a consistency issue with one or more of your components or your rifle doesn't like SGK bullets. It happens.

If you are getting close to the advertised velocities and your groups are 1-1.5 moa at 100 yards, that is fine hunting accuracy.
 
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