Help with choosing muzzle device for ATRS MS

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Need as light and short as possible. For hunting with kids on my faxon 18.6 gunner. Noise(concussion) and muzzle flip is what I want to mitigate.

Options are my Simple Threaded Devices linear (2oz), good for sound but WAY to much muzzle rise. So its out

V seven ti A2 comp. 1oz, and 1 inch past muzzle. No recoil help but some help with muzzle rise , not too loud

V Seven ti Mini comp, 22 grams and .7 past muzzle, or the Rainier Mini single port. Is it too loud? How are single ports?

or maybe Bare muzzle with thread protector. Muzzle rise wasnt that much without a comp on my other 18", but the thread pro is almost same weight as a ti comp.
 
I would go with a linear comp for a hunting rifle or just a thread protector.
Any brake that actually reduces recoil and muzzle rise is going to increase concussion, and muzzle rise/flip is not really a worry on a hunting rifle since you should only need one shot (hopefully), and being that it's a semi auto it will have a little less recoil than a bolt action anyway.

Rainier single port comp is very loud, I had one for a while and on my 14.5 inch AR it was mostly tolerable but on a 12 inch or shorter the concussion blast rattled my sinuses.

What caliber is your MS? I hardly notice any muzzle rise from my 223 upper. I haven't shot my 6.5 Grendel upper without a brake yet so not sure what it's like but I can't imagine it being very bad from that little cartridge. With the brake it hardly moves when I shoot but it is very loud (3 chamber brake).

What do you mean with the kids? They're tagging along or they'll be shooting the rifle? Kids age? Shooting experience?
There are a lot better rifle options out there for kids to hunt with. Unless they're experienced hunters/shooters I wouldn't want kids hunting with a semi auto, especially one chambered in an anemic cartridge like the 6.5 Grendel or 300 Blackout (again, just guessing at the cartridge you're rifle is chambered in). Chances are good that they're not going to place the shot perfectly, I would want a cartridge with more knock down power than a 6.5 Grendel or whatever caliber you've got in the MS with inexperienced shooters on the trigger hunting deer. If you are hunting from a blind it wouldn't be too bad for the kids but I wouldn't want them walking with it.
I'm guessing that by kids you mean under 12 years old, if they're 14+ some of my comments don't really apply.
 
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223 for hunting nothing bigger than yotes. 12 and 14 year old girls who are in LOVE with shooting the AR , so I'm building a super light NR for them. They are fantastic shots to boot, but hate hanging around beside the other waiting for their turn with my SLR rifleworks MIni Comp on it.

My Linear Comp must muzzle rise a good 12 inches if taking a standing shot, its horribly sucks
 
Suchee said:
223 for hunting nothing bigger than yotes. 12 and 14 year old girls who are in LOVE with shooting the AR , so I'm building a super light NR for them. They are fantastic shots to boot, but hate hanging around beside the other waiting for their turn with my SLR rifleworks MIni Comp on it.

My Linear Comp must muzzle rise a good 12 inches if taking a standing shot, its horribly sucks
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Rises 12 inches with the girls shooting? That seems excessive for a 223.
I know it's tough, I'm going through the same thing trying to teach my daughter and my nephew to shoot but they aren't strong enough to support the rifle correctly and have to lean back to balance, but teaching them to hold the rifle correctly will mitigate more muzzle rise than a brake. Leaning back to balance the rifle puts them on their heels and lets the rifle push them around a lot more.

Try using a lighter bullet (50gr or less if possible), it will reduce recoil slightly and you don't need to be running 60+gr projectiles regardless of your barrel twist. I've shot plenty of nice tight groups at shorter ranges with 36gr pills from an 8 twist barrel. You only really need those long heavy bullets for shooting long range, inside 200-300 yards you won't notice a difference if you can find a load the barrel likes.

If you can, also try hunting from a blind with them so you can let them support the rifle on something. Another option is to buy a telescoping shooting stick so they can support the rifle and get their weight forward onto the balls of their feet which would give them a lot more control.
 
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On a semi auto 223 that I'm using for hunting coyotes I like this little guy from Daniel Defense:

https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/P...Flash-Hider-1-2--28-Thread-AR-15-Steel-Matte-

It's about the size of a standard A2 flash hider but I find it to be a little more effective at directing the noise away due to it's forward facing ports. It has 5 rows of ports so when installing it be sure to align it so 1 row is top dead center. This will also help with muzzle rise to a certain degree.

It is NOT as effective at recoil reduction or muzzle rise as a good 2 or 3 port brake that also has top ports BUT it does not cause the issues with noise or concussion that the brake will. I really enjoy shooting with this on my rifle and find that it directs noise away enough that I won't even bother with ear pro for that 1 or (sometimes) two shots at a yote.

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Here's a picture of one I have on my WK180-C. I also put the same muzzle device on my XCR-L and one of my Modern Sporters. A 223 really doesn't need a big fancy brake that's going to pop your ears for no good reason.

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Just remembered that I have a Griffin Flash-comp on my ACR which seems to work decently for recoil control as well as not being overly loud.
Mine must be an older design as I can't find it on their website. The new one looks like it would be better at recoil management but a little louder.

Wow, Jiffx, that gas block looks really close to the handguard. No contact?
 
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Wow, Jiffx, that gas block looks really close to the handguard. No contact?
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I can slide a piece of paper in around it and that's about it. The handguard is SOLID and doesn't flex the slightest while handling the gun but I'm sure there is still some contact when the gun is fired. There is the odd random flyer in some groups that this barrel didn't produce when I had it installed on my pos Maccabee.
 
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V Seven ti Mini comp, 22 grams and .7 past muzzle, or the Rainier Mini single port. Is it too loud? How are single ports?

or maybe Bare muzzle with thread protector. Muzzle rise wasnt that much without a comp on my other 18", but the thread pro is almost same weight as a ti comp.
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I've got a v-seven Ti mini comp in Raw Titanium if you're interested. Seen 15 rounds off a 10.5" (muzzle brakes are no good for 10.5's, lol). Am local (Maple Ridge).
 
Epsilon with a cage could be a good choice.
I have a vg6 gamma, excellent for muzzle rise and recoil but loud AF like other brakes.
The Lantac Dragon is another that's designed to reduce muzzle rise. I've never owned one, but was beside a guy at the range a few months back who had one on his AR15. His muzzle didn't seem to move, and double taps on his targets were quite close together, but it hurt when he shot.
 
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Yah, I definitely don't want ANY extra perceived noise. I'll sacrifice the recoil and muzzle flip on a hunting 223 for no noise(concussion), having said this, It would be nice to get some benefit of the thread. A suppressor would be nice eh

My SLR rifleworks comp seems to suck the air right out of your ear canal, then punches you in the face with it. But Behind it, Its so sweet, with great recoil and muzzle control, so I know whats thats all about

Great options, thanks, the DD seems real good, the surefire is damn pricey and I couldnt care about flash. NEver heard of Epsilon
 
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Just for reference this is my "Siimple Threaded Device" linear comp. I Thought this would be perfect, the write up is SO GOOD lol, and its LIGHT, only 2oz

"The STD combines the noise reduction benefits of other in-line flash suppressors with the small size of the A2. At under half the weight of other such devices, you no longer have to suffer with additional weight and length to gain the benefits of this style flash suppressor - regardless of how short your barrel is.

The STD was designed for hunters, by a hunter. Jim was tired of losing his night vision when shooting in low light, and equally tired of having his ears hurt when the shot was fired without ear plugs. Many other designs were fielded before finally going back to the drawing board—literally; starting over from scratch with the K.I.S.S. principle. Keep It Simple, Stupid. When he grabbed his note pad to sketch out a quick blueprint for a thread protector he didn't stop at that, kept drawing, and the STD's concept was born.

By changing the way the gasses are introduced to the atmosphere, the flash signature out of a STD is greatly diminished, more than any other comparable product available today short of a NFA regulated device. A quick look at in-line "compensators" on Youtube shows how miserably ineffective they are, until now.

The added benefit of this design, is that it reduces the concussion felt by the shooter and those along side them. Anyone who's shot at an indoor range knows all too well that being along side a high powered rifle in the next bay can make shooting miserable even with plugs. People who've been around the STD's in that same situation have remarked how pleasant it is - despite shooting some of the shortest barrels that function in the AR pistol platform and full power ammunition.

How well does it work though? We have to shoot in the dark to capture the flash signature on camera. Guns which light up a room without a muzzle device are reduced to the lumen output of a Bic lighter if you can even see the flash - with a 7.5 inch barrel.

Currently available in .223/5.56 with 1/2-28 threads and .30 caliber 5/8-24 designs specifically engineered for the AR platform and proven with extensive live fire testing. Other sizes will be developed in the future.

Simple Threaded Devices is a disabled veteran owned business located in Minnesota."



It makes my muzzle jump SO much, If im taking a standing shot with a biathlon style hold its over 12", like a frikn pistol. But my AR15 is super light too, 4.3lb. On a bag, it'll bounce a good 8 inches. Nuts I guess its meant for SBRs
 
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