Help with sale gone sour???

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Superbrad said:
This reminds me of the only bad deal I ever had on CGN......

Seller posted a rifle at an amazing price, easily half of what it was worth.. He had positive rating.... I jumped on it and sent the funds and the rifle never showed and he dissapeared.... I later found out that he sold it to another member as well who didn't receive it either....

As they say, if it looks too good to be true.....
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Have you reported the incident to rcmp? If not, I would blame you for letting the criminal continue to defraud others. Or put it bluntly, a victim has thus become a accomplice
 
9.3mauser said:
If it's been in the buyer's hands for more than a week, I would say he's S.O.L. That's more than enough time for a thorough inspection. A lot of sellers specify a 3-day non-firing inspection period, and I think that should be the general rule of thumb.
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I would agree with this. If you think the firearm could be stolen, check the serial number.
I didn't even look that closely at the last firearm I sold to see if any of it's serial numbers were altered. When I unpack a new firearm, I like to take a close look at it and check the action etc. it does not go straight into the safe in my dark basement. maybe you need to put some better lighting in for your gun area, how do you clean your guns in the dark? If the seller knew the serial was mis-stamped bad on him for not putting it forward.
 
elker said:
Have you reported the incident to rcmp? If not, I would blame you for letting the criminal continue to defraud others. Or put it bluntly, a victim has thus become a accomplice
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Wish I could.... But as stated by another member above, I was complacent and didn't get all of his personal info when making the deal.... Learned my lesson and completely agree with you....
 
If the seller doesn't have an original receipt for the firearm with the serial number on it, why mess around. Call the RCMP and tell them your concerns. You are in possession of a firearm with an altered serial number. Let them figure it out. If you keep the firearm you will probably want some proof in writing the police are fine with the serial number.
 
Ranger Dave said:
If the seller doesn't have an original receipt for the firearm with the serial number on it, why mess around. Call the RCMP and tell them your concerns. You are in possession of a firearm with an altered serial number. Let them figure it out. If you keep the firearm you will probably want some proof in writing the police are fine with the serial number.
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They'll figure it out,alright. They'll attend at the residence and sieze the rifle. Possession of any firearm with an altered seriel number is a criminal offense. Savage may have quality issues,but,I can't see them letting this firearm out of the factory. I'd eat the $500 for now and turn it in before I got caught with it. Get out in front of it....today. Every firearms offense is really bad news. It will haunt you,forever.
 
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FLHTCUI said:
I am surprised that this has gone on as far as it has?!
The number appears tampered with ...plain as day and the law is pretty clear with altered serial numbers and firearms, No?
Someone's going to be out $500.00 ...
It appears there is way more to this story than has been told so far and the one currently holding the bag has his fingers getting warm sooner than later...
The O/P has not answered the acusation of selling for a freind (have only read first page of replies).
CGN has rules on dealing with EE transactions which appear to have been passed by on this particular topic.
Not to mention we as forum users have a vested interest in following the rules as agreed to upon joining and as lawful firearms owners or not deal in stolen merchandise.
This thread is still not locked....Ibtl?
Tight Groups,
Rob
FYI......You Must Own & Have Possession of Item(s) You Are Offering For Sale
Basic EE Rule: You must actually own & be in possession of any item you are offering for sale in the EE Forums.

Example: Vendor offers a "firearm + ammo" deal. You just want the ammo. Can you post the firearm for sale on the EE before you (1) own it and (2) have possession of it?

Answer: No. You must actually own & have possession of the item BEFORE you can post it for sale in the EE.
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Pretty much bang on here. IBTL.

The whole reason why these threads were not supposed to be started was that it caused people to take sides without knowing all of the facts. The OP should have known better than to air his dirty laundry like this. This should have been taken up with the moderators of the EE. The seller never should have responded here as well and should have taken this up with the OP and moderators. Nothing good is going to come from this thread except both the seller and buyer looks like a bags of poo.
 
BigUglyMan said:
That looks suspicious as hell to me. The original number looks like it was a 6 and then the 8 was stamped over, apparently with a hand stamp. I do not like it, not one little bit.
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X2 looks like it was done perfectly with a "6" and someone added the "8" badly over top. I wouldn't want that rifle. That said, a month later is too late. When you buy a gun, look it over when it arrives.

The seller should refund 1/2 the money, the buyer should cut the action in 1/2 and give half back to the seller. Everyone wins.
 
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Everyone learns from experiences. For those who have given "excellent" advices and shown self-rightfulness, I am pretty sure you have or will make similar mistakes as the seller or the buyer.
Maybe EE should require that a clear photo of sn for each firearm listed. EE also needs to learn and grow.
 
Most likely the gun is fine, if someone was going to alter the serial number they wouldn't change one number.

I talked to a couple of friends of mine Local and RCMP, they looked up both numbers. Neither came up, so there should be no problem.

Now the only concern is, if the description of the sale was correct
 
madcow said:
Most likely the gun is fine, if someone was going to alter the serial number they wouldn't change one number.

I talked to a couple of friends of mine Local and RCMP, they looked up both numbers. Neither came up, so there should be no problem.

Now the only concern is, if the description of the sale was correct
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The officers you asked did the exact thing others did, many posts ago. They looked on cpic. Only shows if s/n is reported stolen.

They don't have a secret database.
 
The fact remains that the serial number is altered, which is illegal. How, why or when it was altered is really immaterial. I wouldn't want this gun and I think the buyer deserves a refund. Yes, it's been a long time, but these are different circumstances than just regular undisclosed cosmetic damage.

This should've been dealt with privately.
 
bearkilr said:
The fact remains that the serial number is altered, which is illegal. How, why or when it was altered is really immaterial. I wouldn't want this gun and I think the buyer deserves a refund. Yes, it's been a long time, but these are different circumstances than just regular undisclosed cosmetic damage.
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It is illegal to modify a serial number after it is received from the factory..... If the bolt number matches the number on the action then this proves that it was done at the factory and the gun is fine...... If the numbers don't match and the issue wasn't disclosed then I agree with bearklr
 
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