help with Steyr scout accuracy

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Looking for people that have experience with bench shooting lightweight rifles (sub 7 pounds).

I shoot consistent 0.6 MOA groups easily with my target rifles.

After three outing at the gun club, I cannot seem to do better than 2 MOA with my 308 Steyr scout. Based on reviews, I should be able to do sub MOA.

I am pretty sure it is my fault and I understand that this rifle is not made for the bench, but I would like to get feedback on what I could do to improve accuracy.

I do shoot 5 round groups and have tried using my left hand to hold the rifle down when I fire to mitigate recoil effect. It seems to help but I have a lot of vertical stringing in my group so maybe my position is off ?

The ammo is not the problem, I have been shooting FGM 168 and Hornady superperformance 150gr SST which seem to work well together as I could not discern a POI shift between the 2 type of rounds.

let me know !

jp
 
Yup. Try lrting the barrel cool down. Also try a wider variety of ammo. If you reload, work up a load for a bullet you like.

Ammo is the first place I go to tighten up groups - assuming of course that everything is in correct working order.
 
What power scope is on it?
If you are used to a scope having 18x+ you are going to be at a disadvantage shooting a LER 2x .
I know shooting my GSR with a 2-7X LER, parallax creeps in if I don't pay attention.
 
2moa is horrible from Scout, mine is well under 1moa with factory loaded federal premium hunting ammo, I also dont consider myself any sort of expert when it comes to marksmanship.

Could be issue with the rifle since you are able shoot small groups with your other rifles
 
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Vertical stringing would be a sign of the barrel heating up. Unfortunately not much you can do with a pencil barrel on a Scout. My Jungle Carbine does the same thing.

Try shooting one shot and letting the barrel cool completely and then another shot and so on ...

At least you'll isolate the problem. Not a problem so much for a hunting/survival concept rifle which the Steyr is, but for bench shooting there are better choices.
 
PSE said:
Vertical stringing would be a sign of the barrel heating up. Unfortunately not much you can do with a pencil barrel on a Scout. My Jungle Carbine does the same thing.

Try shooting one shot and letting the barrel cool completely and then another shot and so on ...

At least you'll isolate the problem. Not a problem so much for a hunting/survival concept rifle which the Steyr is, but for bench shooting there are better choices.
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yeah, scout barrel is not supposed to change POI when hot but it is worth a try. I had the range official who ONLY Shoot blaser rifles ( Which are very light as well) fire a group and he got similar performances our of it. I will take a picture of my groups, maybe someone can have ideas as well.

I got similar groupings with the scout 2.5 Leupold forward mounted scope and a regular mounted 1.5-4.5 scope. I will also try using a 3-18 I have lying around to see if higher magnification helps.

yes it might be the rifle, but it would be unprobable as all the reviewerss seems to agree that they get sub MOA performance out of it. I agree that it is not a benchrest rifle but I just want to make sure I am exploiting it at its max potential as 2MOA is good enough for 300 yard shots when hunting.
 
Brian46 said:
2moa is horrible from Scout, mine is well under 1moa with factory loaded federal premium hunting ammo, I also dont consider myself any sort of expert when it comes to marksmanship.

Could be issue with the rifle since you are able shoot small groups with your other rifles
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can you specify exactly which ammo ?
 
OR4NGE said:
what would you find surprising ?
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That the reviewers say you can get Sub MOA out of a pencil thin barrel. Is this 5 shots @ 100yds? Is this on a continuous basis or just a one time occurance?

As usual this will degenerate into a argument over group sizes but it is highly unlikely that a pencil thin barrel is capable of Sub MOA on a continuous basis. Possible I guess but highly unlikely.

Read my second signature line.
 
I hope nobody is looking for continuous sustained fire accuracy of under 1moa from a steyr scout

It is not what the rifle was designed for. It is a very accurate rifle for what it is, but I would never expect it to print under 1moa box after box of ammo in one sitting
 
Brian46 said:
I hope nobody is looking for continuous sustained fire accuracy of under 1moa from a steyr scout

It is not what the rifle was designed for. It is a very accurate rifle for what it is, but I would never expect it to print under 1moa box after box of ammo in one sitting
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I would hope not either. That's what heavy profile barrels are for and will continue to be for until someone discovers some light weight magical element out there that is highly resistant to heat and warpage as well as impervious to barrel harmonics.

Until then the laws of physics apply.
 
PSE said:
That the reviewers say you can get Sub MOA out of a pencil thin barrel. Is this 5 shots @ 100yds? Is this on a continuous basis or just a one time occurance?

As usual this will degenerate into a argument over group sizes but it is highly unlikely that a pencil thin barrel is capable of Sub MOA on a continuous basis. Possible I guess but highly unlikely.

Read my second signature line.
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based on most range reports it should do at least 1 MOA.

that is a starting data set for groups

http://www.steyrscout.org/steyrdb.htm
 
OR4NGE said:
based on most range reports it should do at least 1 MOA.

that is a starting data set for groups

http://www.steyrscout.org/steyrdb.htm
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Well Good luck, I hope you achieve that. FWIW I think you've good a good rifle with the groups you've been getting. I always liked the Steyr version of the Scout a lot better than the other offerings out there.

A little over priced perhaps for the common man but a good rifle that does what Jeff Cooper had originally envisioned which was a handy rifle for the civilian scout/hunter using commonly available ammo, striking a large enough blow to defend oneself and take most North American big game.

I'd like to have one.
 
PSE said:
Well Good luck, I hope you achieve that. FWIW I think you've good a good rifle with the groups you've been getting. I always liked the Steyr version of the Scout a lot better than the other offerings out there.

A little over priced perhaps for the common man but a good rifle that does what Jeff Cooper had originally envisioned which was a handy rifle for the civilian scout/hunter using commonly available ammo, striking a large enough blow to defend oneself and take most North American big game.

I'd like to have one.
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Yeah, I'd love one too in 338 federal. Covers alot of bases that one.

Kinda surprised with the popular 6.5 calibers these days that they don't offer a few other chamberings, though I guess a scout isn't necessarily designed for mid/long range shooting as much as quick to shoulder/shoot and easy to carry.
 
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