Henry H001M etched or tarnished muzzle end.

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Hello people. I've been putting money on a used, Henry H001M, as part of a layaway plan. I went to the store today to walk out with the rifle, but when it was removed from the rifle sock, I now notice severe etching, or tarnish on the end of the muzzle, the front hooded site, and a few inches behind the muzzle, on both the the muzzle and outside tube feed, that wasn't there the first time I handled the rifle 10 days ago. The rifle - excluding this new and bewildering feature, was flawless.

MODEL: H001M (with checkering on stock and forearm)

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I've been in the store twice before, in the last 2 weeks - (no tarnish visible), to put more money on the rifle. Even yesterday, I went in with my Father, who had never seen the gun before, and we didn't notice ANY tarnish. This happened to the rifle in the store - obviously, between yesterday afternoon, and later today. It looks like some kind of acid was spilled onto the end of the barrel.

The younger guy working at the store said, "yeah the barrel was pointed down against the floor, but I have no idea what caused that" I had paid the balance owing on the rifle in full today - and THEN had pulled it out of the sock, to see how it would fit in a case I was going to buy. That's when we noticed the etching.

And when we smelled the end of the muzzle, it reminded me of wet metal, or easy-off oven cleaner - when someone puts it on something metal that doesn't accept the chemical - it almost etches the metal, and gives it that wet metal smell. And in this case, you can even see the BARE metal of the barrel.

I'm really freaked out, and have no idea what I'm in store for. I've never shopped there before, but I think the owner has a lot of integrity, he installed a hammer extender on the rifle for me the first day I put $500 on it. It's a mom & pop kind of place, and I really liked the vibe at the store - and it was the only store in my area that had the exact model I wanted.

How is that kind of thing fixed?

Can you simply order the barrel and under-barrel feed tube housing for the H001M?

Will it simply be re-blued?
 
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Looks like oxidation on surface if that was not what you agreed to then you should have not taken it now even if you can get parts your looking at least 2-300$ to fix. Idk I feel you got screwed.
 
I would not buy that rifle in that condition.

How much is this thing costing you? If over 100 bucks I would be RUNNING away.

They railed you for sure. If you agreed to purchasing a new rifle I would ask them to order a new one in as that is NOT new.

If anything I would ask for money back, if they will not give it back. I would settle for a minimum of store credit and ask them to order a new rifle.

Again if buying used... Id buy something else.
 
simpleman said:
Looks like oxidation on surface if that was not what you agreed to then you should have not taken it now even if you can get parts your looking at least 2-300$ to fix. Idk I feel you got screwed.
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^^^ditto. This is just a shot in the dark but try forwarding your first post to the owner of Henry, Anthony Imperato. He is known for 'making things right' , even with used guns. Tell him exactly what you told us and see where it gets you.
 
First off, thanks for the replies.

1) The rifle is used, but in next to MINT condition.

2) That etching you see was only discovered today, when I made final payment, got the invoice receipt, and THEN pulled the gun out of the sock. Myself and 2 of the stores younger employees noticed it.

3) The 2 guys at the store said, even though I've paid for it, don't leave with it, until the owner can take a look at it.

When I first saw this used H001M about 10 days ago, the muzzle and hooded site, knurled magazine tube etc were jet black, gleaming brand new. I went in again yesterday with my dad, to put more money on the rifle (on layaway), and it was dead mint, no tarnish, no missing blueing etc.

At some point between yesterday, and today, an acid of some kind, either spilled onto the end of the muzzle and trickled down around the outside of the barrel and magazine's outer tube about 4-5 inches.

Or it was placed in the storage room, muzzle against the floor in some kind of etching acid, or whatever CAN remove the blueing on a rifle. I have no idea. My thought was, if I leave with the rifle, I'll only have to drive back again so that the owner can rectify the issue in-house, or directly through Henry.

I'm just PISSED, because that hooded site, and end of the barrel were in mint condition yesterday. And in less than 24 hours, something has happened to it. It could've even been an accidental spill of something onto the end of the barrel, by someone in the shop, and then rubbed as if trying to remove it.

I specifically wanted THAT model, in 22 WMR, with checkered stocks. For some reason, Cabela's and everyone else where I live doesn't stock that model with checkering. It's just a really handsome, well fitted gun for what I want.

I'm FUMING!
 
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The people at Henry can help you get the stock you want.the barrel and tube are much harder to replace.
I would just buy regular stock and order a replacement stock. Seem cheaper then route you went
 
Believe it or not, I read a story about the deteriorating finish on a Henry rifle about a year ago on another forum. I'll see if I can dig it up, see how it was resolved.

Whatever the case~I would have never walked out of a shop with a gun looking like that unless that was the condition it was in when I first saw it...it was priced accordingly..and the whole idea made sense. To walk in with the last payment and find it in THAT condition...I would have either insisted on getting ALL of my money back, or, having a replacement rifle ordered in a timely manner. Sounds like you worked hard to make this rifle happen and if you're laying down a nice chunk of money, you deserve the rifle you agreed on..not that POS.

Question~any chance that rifle isn't the one you first saw? Bait-n-switch? Buying a new gun is supposed to be the best day of the year.
 
Simpleman, it has nothing to do with the stock. The stock and forearm are fine. It's the muzzle end, knurled end cap on the magazine tube, and the first 4-5 inches of the barrel that are etched, corroded.

It's either a complete replacement of that exact model, or the owner of the store ships the rifle back to Henry, and they put a new barrel and magazine tube, and outer tube on the existing stocks. I'm also worried that whatever dripped or splashed onto the muzzle end of the barrel, also went inside the barrel itself. I have no idea.

We'll see tomorrow.
 
.22LRGUY, it's a USED rifle first of all, and it WAS in mint condition. I had made the last payment — today, with the full intention of taking it home. This past Saturday, my dad went into the store with me, to put another 100 bucks on it, we handled it, sighted it, and there was absolutely no etching or corrosion on it yesterday, or weeks ago when I first saw it. This screw up happened in the last 36 hours since we left the store on Saturday.

When I went to pick up the rifle today, it was still in the rifle sock. It was AFTER I had paid the balance, and pulled it out of the sock, that we noticed the etching, corrosion etc. It wasn't in that condition on Saturday, or weeks before Saturday, or I never would have even considered the rifle.

This etching, corrosion happened within the last 24 hours, while it was in their possession, likely accidental. Maybe some kind of etching acid spilled onto it, and nobody noticed? It's possible. I just want it the way it was before. I'll see what the owner has in mind.
 
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.22LRGUY, it's a USED rifle first of all, and it WAS in mint condition. I had made the last payment — today, with the full intention of taking it home. This past Saturday, my dad went into the store with me, to put another 100 bucks on it, we handled it, sighted it, and there was absolutely no etching or corrosion on it yesterday, or weeks ago when I first saw it. This screw up happened in the last 36 hours since we left the store on Saturday.

When I went to pick up the rifle today, it was still in the rifle sock. It was AFTER I had paid the balance, and pulled it out of the sock, that we noticed the etching, corrosion etc. It wasn't in that condition on Saturday, or weeks before Saturday, or I never would have even considered the rifle.

This etching, corrosion happened within the last 24 hours, while it was in their possession, likely accidental. Maybe some kind of etching acid spilled onto it, and nobody noticed? It's possible. I just want it the way it was before. I'll see what the owner has in mind.
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Hmm.. Well, I hope they make this right for you. The whole things seems sort of unlikely, and by that I mean...is there any chance (in your excitement) that the gun actually was blemished that way when you first saw it...and maybe you didn't notice? Not trying to sound like a turd, but I suspect that's the first question Henry would ask talking to the shop owner. After all, it is a used gun..and they can't account for how their products are treated. Assuming that's not the case though...please keep us updated on how this unfolds.

I did dig-up that thread from another forum, a case where a guy (after hunting for day) put his Henry back in it's case overnight...claiming the case was dry...but in a warm/humid tent. The next day, the end of the barrel looked like it had been soaking in salt water for a week. Lots of back and forth about how modern finish quality ain't what it used to be, but ultimately the owner posted the following. This thread was from Dec., 2016.

So after talking with the Henry they agree that they have never seen one of their guns rust this bad, regardless of how it was treated. They are replacing the gun and want this one back to do some QA/QC on it and determine what might have caused this one to rust so aggressively and sporadically outside of just user neglect.
 
I completely understand, that "MIGHT" be possible to not notice. I'll put it this way... I've been looking for this exact used model for almost a year, and finally found one in exceptional condition. When I first saw it, I inspected every aspect of it. I even commented to the owner, that I didn't like the hooded sight on this rifle, and asked if a different smaller blade, or Hi-Viz sight could be used? I don't know much about what sights will work etc, but I do know that rifle was in top shape on Saturday, and before. And there's simply NO WAY, I wouldn't have noticed that the first time, or on Saturday.

And, there's absolutely no way the owner would ever put the price tag that's on that rifle — in the condition it's in NOW. Something happened to the end of that muzzle. I inspected that rifle - clinically when I first saw it, and that etching, tarnish, corrosion etc, was not present on Saturday. I mean, look at it, it's so obvious. We all noticed it in the store today, simultaneously.. We all went.. WHAT??? is THAT???
 
Corrosion like that does not happen over night unless the end of the barrel was sitting in some sort of very corrosive material. I can only imagine what the crown and first couple of inches of the rifling must look like.
I would demand my money back and walk away from that deal.
 
Rob, I didn't leave with the rifle yesterday. It was left in the store - because I had already paid the balance in full. It was only AFTER I had paid the balance, was given a receipt, that we removed the sock, to see how well the rifle would fit in a smaller rifle bag I wanted to buy. Myself, AND the 2 store employees noticed the etching/corrosion at the same time. We thought it was dust at first, but obviously it isn't.

I said to the employee, I'm not leaving with this rifle. I've paid in full, and now it's totally screwed, but wasn't on Saturday (the day before). The employee said, "Yeah, you should leave it here, so the owner can take a look at it."

They do have blueing services on site, but I'm not about to have anyone other than Henry touch that rifle. And as it stands now, I think a full refund, under these circumstances is totally reasonable.

There's an identical rifle, same model, same everything used in Ontario, that I'd rather buy. It doesn't come with a scope like the one I was getting, but it's in mint condition, LIKE the one I was looking at. So, I'm going to make a call this morning.

I mean, how the F**K does something like that happen? It reminds me of Easy-Off oven cleaner, that "etched" bare metal smell that comes from applying Easy-Off to a metal that it's not intended for. I saw a guy once use Easy-Off on bicycle part, and it looked very similar to the corrosion on the Henry, same smell, similar white dis-colouration etc.

And I don't want them offering me a "re-bluing" process. The way Henry, or Uberti does it is clinical, perfect. I don't want a hand rubbed job.
 
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Sounds a little shady on the part of the shop also. If something happened accidentally or not why not just be honest and correct the situation? Now this is going to be a whole long drawn out ordeal between the OP and Henry and the vendor. Doesn't smell quite right.
 
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