HERA H6 Rifle .223 Rem 18" Non-Restricted
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I've likely crapped on them a bit as hunting rifles; I like "slower-shooters" for hunting mainly because they tend to show better accuracy more easily, and the methodical one-shot-one-kill approach appeals to me. For coyote shooting, I love semis; I used an RFB almost exclusively as my coyote rifle a few years back, and over the years I have taken a bunch of dogs with Mini14's, Swiss Arms and, back in the day, AR's. There's nothing better than a good-shooting semi for dogs.
But when a new bolt gun comes out, and it's different and apparently scary to some folks, they react by ridiculing those of us who express an interest in it and start name-calling, usually concentrating on the F-bomb. For example:
This stuff gets old fast. I guarantee that this ^ guy would call me a Fudd if we met...but I am looking forward to this gun...gee, I wonder what he would say if he heard that?
I don't have a Tavor, mainly because I tend to buy new semis, shoot them, enjoy them...but if the accuracy doesn't match up with the cartridges, the ranges and the targets in question, then the novelty fades and the gun goes down the road. The .223/5.56 semis listed above simply shot better for me than the couple of Tavors I've monkeyed with.
I've taken deer with an RFB, a Norc M14S, an HK91 and probably others I've forgotten. Each time it was just to try something different. In every case, once was enough. Semis for game beyond varmints just don't do it for me...but for fun shooting, I love 'em.
The way you use your Tavor does sound like fun, and you obviously use it rather than just baby it and keep it in your safe. Bravo! I guess I was just lucky enough to get bored with Tavors by playing with ones owned by friends, rather than having to buy one myself. That lets me concentrate on my leverguns and muzzleloaders...but I still want this Hera!
I'm a pretty big fan of hunting with my Tavor. Took a couple of coyotes down with the .308, big ole brake and the accuracy is great. 2 shots on a coyote within a second at 50m is definitely nothing to laugh at. Will be using her on deer and bears this year too. Good enough accuracy at 300m and real quick follow up shots due to the obscene brake I have on her makes killing animals a breeze. Almost feels like cheating heheh. Type 81 might get the same treatment, still thinking about that. It feels like a .22 when I shoot it and it is an absolute blast, sucks to be next to me on the range though
Yep, semi-autos are outstanding for coyotes. I haven't used a Tavor, but I spent an entire winter using a KelTec RDB for that purpose. I loved the whole bullpup idea on a semi (not so fond of it on a bolt gun, had a Desert Tech and didn't keep it long). The only reason I sold the RDB was the unique downward ejection; it was one of the things that attracted me in the first place, but it wasn't as easy or comfortable to check the chamber as I would have liked. Never jammed, but that would not have been a fun thing to correct if it happened either.
The bullpup Tavor, with its traditional side-ejection port and accessibility, is still kinda calling to me.
Just realized, you must mean the .308 Tavor? I was thinking more of the .223; I used an RFB in .308 a fair bit on dogs as well as the RDB, but they're pretty hard on a critter you might want to skin. I'm sure the brake makes it plenty fast enough to get back on a running dog, but I find the blast from most brakes to be a bit much for me; bothers me more than recoil.
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As mentioned previously the H6 are in production and HERA have a huge backorder list to go through but they assured us no matter what we are getting our shipment first before the Americans.
They specifically mentioned Canada in this clip below posted 2 weeks ago.
https://youtu.be/-RBQXBC7WmM?t=419
They specifically mentioned Canada in this clip below posted 2 weeks ago.
https://youtu.be/-RBQXBC7WmM?t=419
I've likely crapped on them a bit as hunting rifles; I like "slower-shooters" for hunting mainly because they tend to show better accuracy more easily, and the methodical one-shot-one-kill approach appeals to me. For coyote shooting, I love semis; I used an RFB almost exclusively as my coyote rifle a few years back, and over the years I have taken a bunch of dogs with Mini14's, Swiss Arms and, back in the day, AR's. There's nothing better than a good-shooting semi for dogs.
But when a new bolt gun comes out, and it's different and apparently scary to some folks, they react by ridiculing those of us who express an interest in it and start name-calling, usually concentrating on the F-bomb. For example:
This stuff gets old fast. I guarantee that this ^ guy would call me a Fudd if we met...but I am looking forward to this gun...gee, I wonder what he would say if he heard that?
I don't have a Tavor, mainly because I tend to buy new semis, shoot them, enjoy them...but if the accuracy doesn't match up with the cartridges, the ranges and the targets in question, then the novelty fades and the gun goes down the road. The .223/5.56 semis listed above simply shot better for me than the couple of Tavors I've monkeyed with.
I've taken deer with an RFB, a Norc M14S, an HK91 and probably others I've forgotten. Each time it was just to try something different. In every case, once was enough. Semis for game beyond varmints just don't do it for me...but for fun shooting, I love 'em.
The way you use your Tavor does sound like fun, and you obviously use it rather than just baby it and keep it in your safe. Bravo! I guess I was just lucky enough to get bored with Tavors by playing with ones owned by friends, rather than having to buy one myself. That lets me concentrate on my leverguns and muzzleloaders...but I still want this Hera!
The AR10 and AR308 rifles changed all of that in early 2000. I had a number of DM rifles that would shoot .5 moa groups for 5 rounds at 100 yards. The DPMS GII gave a 308 AR in almost AR15 size with sub mos accuracy. A lot of the semi auto talk on here is 24 years out of date. Then in 2015, Canada voted in the Liberals ( even a number of CGN on here pushed for it either directly or by splitting the vote) So now, we can’t buy them.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/533010-Thursday-with-the-twins-at-the-Mission-range?highlight=The+twins
Vs 1.5 Moa with RFB:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/552746-RFB-initial-thoughts-Range-report-***JANUARY-31st-ammo-test-at-bottom-of-OP***?highlight=RFB
As for this Hera rifle. It’s grown on me. The rep said moa and maybe sub moa depending on ammo/shooter. 1:9 is ok, but would have liked a 1:8 twist. 1 moa doesn’t really cut it for me. I do agree with you on accuracy being important. It will be interesting to see when these are in the wild. Looking forward to range reports etc.
I don't doubt for a second that the accuracy available from quality .308-class AR-type rifles exceeds that which is attainable with the RFB...considering their prices, I would expect and demand that. But that changes nothing if, like me, you simply like the looks, handling, compactness and "feel" of the bullpup, and have never been in love with the AR's.
When I first handled an RFB I was blown away by what a nice handy little package it offered, while still shooting a "real" cartridge...and of course the unique ejection pattern made it irresistible to somebody who just likes to try new guns. I had one for several years and absolutely loved it...but the inconvenient access to examine or reach the chamber just got old fast and that was why I eventually moved it. But it worked and shot very well indeed, and frankly if it had ejected out the side I would still be using and enjoying it.
The .308 AR's, in contrast, were IMHO just big fat overweight AR's and that was a package that I never fell in love with in .223 so I never even considered spending the bucks for a bigger one, even if it was in a proper hunting cartridge. I had one of the old Colt HBar .223 rifles which I used for groundhogs and coyotes back in the day; I bought it because all the old guys at my gun club were all atwitter about it and I fell for the hype. Didn't love it at first, and my opinion never really changed. It was a shooter but I didn't like the handling and feel...still don't. Amazing, but true: not everybody thinks the sun rises and sets on AR's.
Want more heresy? Okay: I was a huge fan of the Mini14 before and after my AR phase; it's the rifle that I really miss now. And if Ruger had followed through and delivered the XG1, I would have jumped on that in a heartbeat and probably would never have even looked at the Norc M305's that I eventually owned and enjoyed.
Where's that dang Hera H6? I still have a box of AR mags that need to be used! 0.75 - 1 MOA with good ammo, and 2 MOA with bulk crap, will be fine; for me it will be a 200-yard coyote rifle that may see 300 on occasion. It'll be a casual plinking/general-purpose/fun gun that carries easily and will be grabbed when I go for a hike out back, just in case a coyote appears. Don't need or want another heavy "precision" rig.
When I first handled an RFB I was blown away by what a nice handy little package it offered, while still shooting a "real" cartridge...and of course the unique ejection pattern made it irresistible to somebody who just likes to try new guns. I had one for several years and absolutely loved it...but the inconvenient access to examine or reach the chamber just got old fast and that was why I eventually moved it. But it worked and shot very well indeed, and frankly if it had ejected out the side I would still be using and enjoying it.
The .308 AR's, in contrast, were IMHO just big fat overweight AR's and that was a package that I never fell in love with in .223 so I never even considered spending the bucks for a bigger one, even if it was in a proper hunting cartridge. I had one of the old Colt HBar .223 rifles which I used for groundhogs and coyotes back in the day; I bought it because all the old guys at my gun club were all atwitter about it and I fell for the hype. Didn't love it at first, and my opinion never really changed. It was a shooter but I didn't like the handling and feel...still don't. Amazing, but true: not everybody thinks the sun rises and sets on AR's.
Want more heresy? Okay: I was a huge fan of the Mini14 before and after my AR phase; it's the rifle that I really miss now. And if Ruger had followed through and delivered the XG1, I would have jumped on that in a heartbeat and probably would never have even looked at the Norc M305's that I eventually owned and enjoyed.
Where's that dang Hera H6? I still have a box of AR mags that need to be used!
0.75 - 1 MOA with good ammo, and 2 MOA with bulk crap, will be fine; for me it will be a 200-yard coyote rifle that may see 300 on occasion. It'll be a casual plinking/general-purpose/fun gun that carries easily and will be grabbed when I go for a hike out back, just in case a coyote appears. Don't need or want another heavy "precision" rig.
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I don't doubt for a second that the accuracy available from quality .308-class AR-type rifles exceeds that which is attainable with the RFB...considering their prices, I would expect and demand that. But that changes nothing if, like me, you simply like the looks, handling, compactness and "feel" of the bullpup, and have never been in love with the AR's.
When I first handled an RFB I was blown away by what a nice handy little package it offered, while still shooting a "real" cartridge...and of course the unique ejection pattern made it irresistible to somebody who just likes to try new guns. I had one for several years and absolutely loved it...but the inconvenient access to examine or reach the chamber just got old fast and that was why I eventually moved it. But it worked and shot very well indeed, and frankly if it had ejected out the side I would still be using and enjoying it.
The .308 AR's, in contrast, were IMHO just big fat overweight AR's and that was a package that I never fell in love with in .223 so I never even considered spending the bucks for a bigger one, even if it was in a proper hunting cartridge. I had one of the old Colt HBar .223 rifles which I used for groundhogs and coyotes back in the day; I bought it because all the old guys at my gun club were all atwitter about it and I fell for the hype. Didn't love it at first, and my opinion never really changed. It was a shooter but I didn't like the handling and feel...still don't. Amazing, but true: not everybody thinks the sun rises and sets on AR's.
Want more heresy? Okay: I was a huge fan of the Mini14 before and after my AR phase; it's the rifle that I really miss now. And if Ruger had followed through and delivered the XG1, I would have jumped on that in a heartbeat and probably would never have even looked at the Norc M305's that I eventually owned and enjoyed.
Where's that dang Hera H6? I still have a box of AR mags that need to be used!
Ergonomics on the AR are intuitive. As a carbine for ergonomics they are second to none for a fighting weapon. Add in that it’s exceptionally modular.
The DPMS GII was less than the RFB. As were the Stag 10 non restricted rifles. You could even build your own. The GII handled like a 5.56.
Also a fan of bull pups. The Tavor is my second favourite after the AR. Again, ergonomics and handling as a carbine are fairly decent. The Tavor T7 308 is what most hoped the RFB was.
Mini 14 and M305. Definite blasphemy. had them both a ways back. Meh. Clunky. Only real merit was they used to be non restricted. Coukd take them or leave them. Never really a fan.
One thing that will be interesting to see is how the Herra handles in terms of shooting off hand. Will the mag get in the way? Most side loading are semi/full auto or 50bmg and off hand precision has never been the goal. Thinking especially if one uses their pinned 30 round mags. Will they get in the way? What’s the optimal length, 10 round capacity?
Not sure I’ll ever buy one. But it is new and interesting. We don’t have a lot of options In a time when the Liberals are doing their best to kill gun sports/culture by prohibiting anything cool that new shooters might be interested in. Or even those of us that just like the new cool toys!
Scouting with a magazine in your spine kinda sucks though? I must be missing something
Sten was a military issue gun coming up to 100 years ago. This is a brand new modern gun for the commercial market. Not convinced this is anything more than novelty. If that’s all it is that’s cool - nothing wrong with that at all. I’m just having a hard time seeing practical benefit.
