Ah, that right... Your memory is much better than mine! But someday you'll be old and absent-minded too.
here is a neat idea. norinco you listening?
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Ah, that right... Your memory is much better than mine! But someday you'll be old and absent-minded too.
Except that they made it to accept AR15 mags. You get into the same situation as the Remington 7615P.
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You could always invent a firearm chambered in .223 that uses proprietary mags and then build a conversion kit for the AR-15, no?
Umm... It is totally technically legal or it would never have happened. Nothing "got around". The 10 round AR pistol magazine only exists because there are AR pistols that magazines can be made for. Thanks to the US for creating such a category for us to use. Since AR's are restricted already there is no difference due to barrel length and attachments here, but because there IS a difference in the USA, we are able to have AR lowers marked as for "pistol only" here, which actually makes a legal difference in the USA.
THIS is the completely UNACCEPTABLE point. If it is within the current laws and can be proven why it is in accordance with them, and is accompanied by a precedence, then they SHOULD have to approve them. It being accepted that they can SAY ahead of time what they will and will not approve is completely wrong and MUST be changed, challenged, and not accepted.
It must be another reason, as the 7615P is non restricted, and used AR magazines. Also, since the precedent for them to accept what a magazine was "manufactured" for (and not what it was designed for) in the case of the PX4 mag being allowed in the CX4 even though the mags are EXACTLY the same. As long as the same mag does not say CX4 on it anywhere it can be used in the CX4 legally at 10 rounds. If the identical mag says CX4 then it must be 5 rounds. How expensive would it be for an importer to have one sample of a 30 round AR mag made and have it engraved like the LAR with "for use in the Remington 7615P rifle" on the side and floor plate. Cite the precedent. If that is a problem, then have the mag come with a follower, or floor plate that will allow only 29 or 31 rounds thus moving it into a completely new category. The size of the magazine body does not prevent import since we have neutered 5/10, 5/20, & 5/30 magazines cross the boarder all the time. The Precedence will further be set if Can Am is successful (as they should be since they have precedence already on their side) in bringing in the 10/30 round pistol magazines, based on the "manufactured for" principle.
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Why not just design a completely new magazine for the Rem 7615P that holds 31 rounds. Different body dimensions and followers (I suggest it be designed not to accept AR-15 followers) would help show that you didn't just stamp "For Rem 7615 only" on an AR-15 magazine.
Just a suggestion.
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the positive posts in this thread, is why i created it. gets people thinking. keeps our legal option's on the minds of firearm's owners. as for the "tactical face palm"/ armedsask witty comments/ and the other negatives, 100 people might have posted it/ thought about it, but so what? there are some on this site, that dont read every single post on these forums. ill bet that a lot of people on this site dont know about the lar- magazine issue. just because there are lots of threads about it, does not mean that it should never be discussed again by someone that is new to the issue. so for the well informed, why not make helpful comments. links for the uninformed to read maybe. but no we get the tactical face palm..lol.. i did however think it was funny.
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What needs to happen is a new manual rifle with a unique magwell (picture a half-round shaped protrusion on each side) and a propriatary mag with matching scallops in the side to mate with the aformentioned protrusions. Now, an ar mag will not fit said rifle, as the mag lacks the required scallops, therefore there is no confusion about "designed for to take AR mags"
now.....if they happened to fit in a different rifle without said protrusions ( which they would), then you'd be golden.
now.....if they happened to fit in a different rifle without said protrusions ( which they would), then you'd be golden.
no not true.. just because it fits and works doesnt mean its comptable.. but when you use the design.. you can be sued.. also you have to get the bolt action approved which they might just turn around and say no..
You could always find a gun maker and have them stamp the mag for use it another gun and if it doesnt work in that gun well.. legally speaking it was made for x gun even though it doesnt work its not breaking the law its just a crapy product..
Um, no on all counts.
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What needs to happen is a new manual rifle with a unique magwell (picture a half-round shaped protrusion on each side) and a propriatary mag with matching scallops in the side to mate with the aformentioned protrusions. Now, an ar mag will not fit said rifle, as the mag lacks the required scallops, therefore there is no confusion about "designed for to take AR mags"
now.....if they happened to fit in a different rifle without said protrusions ( which they would), then you'd be golden.
I like that idea!
I like the idea of being able to use normal capacity 20 round mags, normal capacity 30 round mags and normal capacity 40 round mags without always have to try and reinvent the wheel to do it. Perhaps it should start and end with getting the stupid magazine limitations thrown out. We vote, and its time those that are supposed to represent our interests start doing so.
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Sigh.
This thread should be locked and nuked.
Essentially, the CFO/RCMP, with much chagrin, were "forced" to accept the 10-round LAR mags as per the books, it was a pistol mag with an implied maximum capacity of ten rounds (as ten rounds for a pistol mag is specifically listed in the Firearms Act.)
They also stated, in no uncertain terms, that building a rifle mag to exceed such ten-round capacity, regardless of action design, by virtue of being compatible with the AR platform, automatically would make it prohibited.
Try your hand in front of a Liberal trial judge, and see if you can sell him the idea that your .223 bolt-action-rifle mag, with a capacity of thirty (or so), just so happens to coincidentally fit the AR platform... I think not.
This thread should be locked and nuked.
Essentially, the CFO/RCMP, with much chagrin, were "forced" to accept the 10-round LAR mags as per the books, it was a pistol mag with an implied maximum capacity of ten rounds (as ten rounds for a pistol mag is specifically listed in the Firearms Act.)
They also stated, in no uncertain terms, that building a rifle mag to exceed such ten-round capacity, regardless of action design, by virtue of being compatible with the AR platform, automatically would make it prohibited.
Try your hand in front of a Liberal trial judge, and see if you can sell him the idea that your .223 bolt-action-rifle mag, with a capacity of thirty (or so), just so happens to coincidentally fit the AR platform... I think not.
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Yes We need Semi-Auto RPD's desperately, I honestly don't understand why they are not jumping on that.
If they were reasonable in price they would sell like crazy here. I would have to buy one, hell I'd take out a loan for one if I had too.
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The reason I stated it, is because someone already tried with an AR15 mag design and a pump action, and the mags were still "required" to be 5-round capacity.
If you were to design a mag that "could" theoretically work in an AR15 and the RCMP didn't catch it, then I guess it would be fine, but you'd have a heck of a time convincing an RCMP officer of it if one ever got nosy...
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looks like firemachine69 already got to it
