here is one for you enfield guys.........

Hardy

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We recieveds two new(in the cosmoline ) #4mk11 Lee Enfields,went to the range to zero in at 100M,we changed front sights until we reached the max of -30 and the rifles are still hitting low approx 6''.these rifles are NEW.Barrels do not look bent ,any constructive info welcomed.......
 
Are there with the peep sight ? IIRC these were meant to be zeroed at 300 and 600 yards ... wonder what a ballistics chart on the MkVII round would look like at 100 compared to these ranges.
 
Using the 300m battle sight, they should hit about 8.5 inches high at 100yds, IIRC. Were you using the battle sight or the micrometer peep screwed down?
 
If you are hitting 6" low with that particular rear sight setting and ammunition, you are going to need a front sight about .06" lower. Could that much be filed off, if there are no lower front sights available? Conversely, just elevate the rear sight, and remember that the range graduations aren't going to be usable.
 
Hmmm, it sounds as though your rifles are defective. I think you should send them to me to melt down for scrap metal...:D

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

You can get different size front sight blades to compensate for various rounds. However, I used to shoot with the micrometer sight flipped up on my old Long Branch and have it set for approximately 200 yds. It was almost a dead zero at 100 yards with Federal Classic 180 grs. Try playing with your rear elevation.

Man, am I jealous...
 
Note that the Lee Enfield #4 Rifles can be fitted with approx 12 different front sights to adjust for elevation with different lots of ammo. Simple solution buy a new front sight and sight tool. DO NOT use a drift punch when changing sights.
 
These are Markll No 4 rifles. With the battle sight being used, they should shoot about 6-8 inches high at 100 yds, not low. I know tis is a silly question, but did you strip the rifles completely to clean out all of the cosmolene? I've helped out a few fellows before with similar problems and its usually been the case of either poor cleaning of cosmolene from the bedding areas or inexperience in takeing off and putting the stock back on.
We did have one problem where the rifle had been cleaned with many kettles of boiling water and the forestock warped, but that was an unusual case. bearhunter
 
bearhunter said:
These are Markll No 4 rifles. With the battle sight being used, they should shoot about 6-8 inches high at 100 yds, not low. I know tis is a silly question, but did you strip the rifles completely to clean out all of the cosmolene? I've helped out a few fellows before with similar problems and its usually been the case of either poor cleaning of cosmolene from the bedding areas or inexperience in takeing off and putting the stock back on.
We did have one problem where the rifle had been cleaned with many kettles of boiling water and the forestock warped, but that was an unusual case. bearhunter

I read a site where they tell you to use a hand steamer to melt the cosmo out of the rifle...someone else mentioned the possibility of warping the wood as well with steam...so if boiling water warped the forend, maybe it's a lousy idea all around...
Maybe I should just leave the parts out in the hot sun, or maybe the wood will get a bloody sunburn eh?? :rolleyes:
I have a cosmo'd 42 LB I'm not eager to touch...
 
We Zero in with rear sight set at 200yd and MPI at approx 2" above aiming point.Ammo is IVI 180 grain soft point.We have all the different front sights but as far as i know -30 is the shortest.
 
Perhaps upper hand guard has slipped forward and is fouling the front sight block. The upper band should be assembled ( as well as all other bands ) with screw entering from the left side. band should have an indent on the rear face which engages a cutout in the metal on the forward top of the handguard which prevents its forward shift. There should also be no contact between the upper handguard and the barrel itself.

John S.
 
Remove the forends and check the imprint of the metal against the wood forward of the magazine and under the reinforce (chamber) of the bbl. Should bear down well there. Barrel should not touch forend on either side at muzzle and should bear down with about 4lbs force against the forend at the muzzle.
 
Check for cosmo in the barrel channel, make sure the barrel floats properly and has its rest against the muzzle reinforce just like it sez in the book.

Remember, these things are 50 years old and wood does change, even while in storage. It is entirely possible that you may want to bed them properly. Cosmoline is a preservative; it is not a time warp. You have to be prepared for some alteration of wood shape, dimensions over a period of half a century.
 
TRy firing the rifles with the handguards and bands removed (ie, just the forestock). Ensure the king screw is TIGHT. Also, try ammo from a different lot to eliminate that variable as well.

See if that changes anything.
 
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