Why ask questions at all then? I respond with a logical response which obviously cannot be disputed.
TDC
Here's a question for you folks...
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Why ask questions at all then? I respond with a logical response which obviously cannot be disputed.
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Right. If you run an optic you fold them down, if you are waiting to get an optic you run them up. If you have a reddot and still run them up you're oblivious to the reason behind folding sights.
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OK, that makes sense. Never hurts to practice. So why do many run only the front flipped up?
TDC
That makes sense as well. A bit unorthodox but doable. Anyone else have any other suggestions as to why someone would run a folding sight with optics and run it up?
TDC
I can hunt with my AR any day of the week.
As for the OP's question... I can tell you why I run a folder and not a fixed... It was cheaper for me to buy a Magpul folder than it was to buy the DD1.5 fixed... Anything other than these two rear irons are either extremely expensive or not to my liking.
As for why I run my rear folder up basically all the time (when running a CCO)... I feel its good practice especially if your primary optic is an EOTech. Your optic will fail you someday, its just a matter of when, not if. As a result, I want my rifle to be good to go, always. This way, I'm used to them being up, I don't have to worry about getting my optic on or fiddling with it because its not working.
Steve David
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CarbineOne
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1) I run back up sights because I always like to have iron sights on a rifle. I've run classes where someone's Aimpoint battery died, and no one happened to be carrying spare 1/3DN's. So I offered him my T-1 for the day, and I ran with irons. Many types of optics you can't fit iron sights with unless they fold.
2) Depending on the style of folding sights and the optic setup I am using, I will sometimes run with the rear folded, front flipped up. Many folding irons sights are difficult to actuate with only one hand. Magpul MBUS I run both front and rear down because I can hit them both with one thumb on each hand. I actually had to do this once as an EOTech I was testing turned itself off (battery spring issue) due to recoil on my Troy MCS'd M14. I hit both sights, they came up, I finished the course of fire.
Having the front flipped up already saves time (if you have something that takes two hands, or isn't easy one handed with gloves, etc.) as you only need to pop up the rear and you're good to go. The front alone doesn't really get in the way, at least for me. But running the front and rear up constantly is too busy for me.
3) Sometimes I like to shoot irons only. Good practice.
2) Depending on the style of folding sights and the optic setup I am using, I will sometimes run with the rear folded, front flipped up. Many folding irons sights are difficult to actuate with only one hand. Magpul MBUS I run both front and rear down because I can hit them both with one thumb on each hand. I actually had to do this once as an EOTech I was testing turned itself off (battery spring issue) due to recoil on my Troy MCS'd M14. I hit both sights, they came up, I finished the course of fire.
Having the front flipped up already saves time (if you have something that takes two hands, or isn't easy one handed with gloves, etc.) as you only need to pop up the rear and you're good to go. The front alone doesn't really get in the way, at least for me. But running the front and rear up constantly is too busy for me.
3) Sometimes I like to shoot irons only. Good practice.
i wanna say its for those who are indecisive and can't decide if they want to run irons or optics 
so they run both.. lol like me, have a laser too. then again all of which are zeroed for different distances. the laser is zeroed for the .22 conversion kit at 25m. redot 50-200, irons, hit a 18" gong at 300 w/ .223...?
and because it looks f***ing cool..
so they run both.. lol like me, have a laser too. then again all of which are zeroed for different distances. the laser is zeroed for the .22 conversion kit at 25m. redot 50-200, irons, hit a 18" gong at 300 w/ .223...? and because it looks f***ing cool..
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So the MBUS sights were a financial based decision. I disagree with the "good to go" comment. MBUS sights are plastic and fold. The fixed BUIS is a far better option if you're concerned about reliability and a folding metal sight would be a close second. You also mention that you leave the rear up as a habit for "just in case" which makes some sense. Again, a fixed metal rear would have been a better option. If ones optic is destined to fail, a plastic sight will be the first to go.
Feel free to dispute what I've posted....
Legend in your own mind aren't you...!
Who said anything about being a legend? I simply think for myself and apply some logic to the problem.
We've covered your first and third points several times. If a folding sight is difficult to fold then why not ditch it and run a fixed? You admit you run your front up quite frequently which negates the advantages of a folder.
i wanna say its for those who are indecisive and can't decide if they want to run irons or optics
and because it looks f***ing cool..
So none of your multiple sighting systems are capable of replacing any one of the others should they fail. That's a poor setup. Then again, if you don't compete or rely on your rifle it doesn't really matter. I would hazard a guess and say the bold is/was the greatest influence in deciding to run both. Although your post never addressed the original question.
TDC
CarbineOne
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TDC said:
Read closer. I will run it folded DOWN if it is easy to actuate i.e. Magpul MBUS. Running both sights up creates excess clutter. When I run guns with 1-4x scopes i.e. Trijicon AccuPoint, having the front sight up interferes with the sightpicture a fair bit, thus I will prefer them folded. On a red dot, I do not mind the front being up, but I will prefer them down in order to ge the clearest sight picture possible.CarbineOne said:
Having sights available under my scope is great. You can't exactly run fixed irons with a scope.
I don't see what is so hard to understand about options. You CAN, but you don't HAVE to.
TDC I think most of us who ask questions on this site do so because we just don't have the information and feel we can get it quickly from experienced shooters who may have the answer. I have tp say you are the first I have seen asking a question you apparently know the only answer to then go on to lecture those who disagree.
You posted earlier on this thread the following: "I respond with a logical response which obviously cannot be disputed." Yet time after time people do dispute your opinions and have on at least one occassion posted videos recently of a very high end user contradicting your concepts which you have often held out as absolutes.
You might want to re-visit your approach, you are to young to quit learning and to old not to know this.
Take Care
Bob
You posted earlier on this thread the following: "I respond with a logical response which obviously cannot be disputed." Yet time after time people do dispute your opinions and have on at least one occassion posted videos recently of a very high end user contradicting your concepts which you have often held out as absolutes.
You might want to re-visit your approach, you are to young to quit learning and to old not to know this.
Take Care
Bob
On my Rimfire AR I don't mind running Rear MBUS.... For my front sight's ALL of my AR's have fixed A2 front sights. As I see it, the MBUS' have been as reliable as any other rear sight I've had INCLUDING a Troy Rear Folding BS which was about $200.
I'm not saying I don't like my Troy Rear Folding BS... Because it really is a great sight... But, when I consider that the MBUS is just as good, maybe better because deployment under stress is easier, and that the MBUS ran me < $40... It's hard to say the MBUS is unreliable.
As far as fixed sights being more reliable... I used to think so, which is why for a very long time I only ran fixed irons. After having run folders for a very long time as well... I believe that both types are just as reliable and even on my .223 AR's I would not be apposed to replacing any of my carry handles, A1.5's, or other fixed irons with folders (even an MBUS).
When I said that an optic will ultimately fail sooner or later, I'm talking from pure experience. Sooner or later your battery's are going to die, maybe your optic will die, etc... Something on it will fail.
I've yet to see any iron sights need battery's replaced, I've never seen the electronics in any set of iron sights fail, I've never seen the glass on a set of irons crack, I've actually never seen any sort of failure with ANY set of irons to date. When you consider that I've seen EVERY other part in an AR fail at one point or another, that's something. I still maintain that when the dust settles, your Irons are probably going to be the last thing to fail on your gun.
The first thing will either be your optic or something to do with your bolt.
Gunnerlove
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Using a bare hand to flip up a hot gas block mounted front sight is something you will only do once.
My fall back for why shooters are doing things that makes no sense is that they are either really good or have no idea what they are doing.
My fall back for why shooters are doing things that makes no sense is that they are either really good or have no idea what they are doing.
Part of the reason I dont like front folders...
