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Hey guys so I’ve been thinking and checking my on line for rifles and shotguns for myself. Was thinking maybe you guys could help me out with some pros and cons with the few I’m thinking about purchasing

One is the Ruger American Ranch rifle in .308, but I’ve been told the mossberg predator in 308 or even mossberg mvp 308 is a good option as well as it comes with optics as well. I’ll be using something like this for hunting

Second is a .410 shotgun, Charles Daly 101 single shot brake barrel, all though I’m not sure where or if I can different chokes for that one to shoot slugs as well. I would like to be able to shoot bird shot as well as slugs from the shotgun but in .410. Also have thought about a lever action .410 but the wire quite expensive I’ve noticed

Then finally some .22s, whether it’s a gsg15. Derya tm22, or maybe a lever action or pump action for practise and fun shooting
 
A 410 slug is a poor idea, just check prices of slugs if you can find them .
410 slug is a 45 long colt.
slugs , get a 12 ga, lots of ammo selection at the best price.
There are lots of very good 22 rifles, what you list is not one, in my option.
 
I'd go slow on purchases IMO, sounds like you're not very aware of 'gun usage'. Do you have any friends to help/advise you?
A basic bolt-action 22LR would be a good start and maybe a pump-action 12Gage. Best to avoid 'toys' like a GSG as you could develop bad habits, like mag-dumps. :rolleyes:
JMO
 
Yes I have a neighbour who’s a ex cop, him and I are actually going to a gun show on Sunday in Arthur. I figured a 410shotgun would be better for me being a smaller size man. I’m 5’8 about 145lbs, figured a 12g would be a lot for my smaller frame.

I’ve always liked the semi autos as well, figured the .22 like derya would be a good little starter for myself as well. Mag can only 10rds that comes with it. Plus 22 are super cheap, and fun, plus I have a line on a like new used deyra tm22 with a Thompson 101red dot and magpul fore grip and rail covers, they’re asking 750 for it.

I also don’t wanna be stuck with wanting something for hunting and the liberals decide people can’t have them lol
 
My neighbour said he wants to find himself a pump 22 or a lever action 22 for himself at the gun show this Sunday
 
why ask if you're decided on both things advised against ?
Buying a nearly useless and expensive to operate shotgun and a "Black Rifle" toy even tho it's a 22 ?
I'm 5'8" and only 160# and was even able to use a 12g when I weighed 130#
 
Buck1950 said:
why ask if you're decided on both things advised against ?
Buying a nearly useless and expensive to operate shotgun and a "Black Rifle" toy even tho it's a 22 ?
I'm 5'8" and only 160# and was even able to use a 12g when I weighed 130#
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Didn’t say I have made my mind up already lol, those are just the ones I’ve been looking at online and watching YouTube for reviews, well I just assumed a 12g would potentially be a lot for my smaller frame is all. What’s a black rifle ??

I also don’t have a pile of money either at the moment. What would you suggest ?? Lever action 22 pump action 22, Bolt action?? Also I don’t have or know anyone who’s into guns either like myself beside my neighbour he’s turning 78 this summer
 
Surprised it hasn’t been mentioned yet but a 20ga shotgun it the most popular gauge for partridge type birds and is awesome on troublesome crows, squirrels and other small game like rabbits. I have a .410 and haven’t used it in well over 10 years. Should sell it one of these days.

For a .22, certainly the Ruger 10/22 has to be the most popular by far.
 
Regarding the shotgun and your body size, I think you'll be giving up a lot of versatility (especially with regards to hunting) choosing a .410 over a larger round, and you won't be doing yourself any favour when it comes to ammo cost or availability. For 12ga, there are reduced recoil rounds that are widely available and also mini-shells, but if you wanted to downsize from 12ga, I'd recommend 20ga as an alternative. But in general, with shotgun rounds, you have a lot of variation in recoil depending on your load (e.g. birdshot vs. buckshot vs. slugs), so you might finding something that works and you might even find that your concerns over recoil are dispelled by practice and familiarity.

A lot of the "pain" of recoil comes from ill-fitted firearms, so try to shoulder some and get a sense for what feels "right" before you make a purchase.

In terms of your other choices, I agree with the previous poster who mentioned to go slow with your purchases until you have more knowledge and experience. If your budget is limited, this will keep you from unnecessarily wasting your money on a poor choice. I've known a number of people who got very excited when they first entered the firearms hobby/sport/lifestyle and went gangbusters buying up firearms, usually at gunshows, only to end up disappointed in those early purchases. The other advice is to be patient --- gunshows are particularly notorious for encouraging spur-of-the-moment rushed decisions based on fear that a firearm will be hard to find again, and prices can be all over the board, so you're equally likely to get a bad deal vs. a good one. I'd also put aside your fear about being unable to purchase a hunting rifle in the near term --- I wouldn't factor that into my purchasing decision.

It may be plain and boring, but choosing an old stalwart like a bolt action 22lr or 308 Win is rarely a bad decision. It'll be the least potentially frustrating option (i.e. some semis can be finicky), probably the most affordable and immediately useful, and when you get that itch to try something else, you can either keep it as a backup or likely sell it on for what you paid for it.
 
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If you're within driving distance of Arthur, you're certainly able to go visit Shooter's Choice in Waterloo.
They have computer access to the gummint so they can get your purchases approved toot sweet.
Here's what they have in stock right now that I would recommend:
https://shooterschoice.com/shop/402...le-4022-firearms/ruger-10-22-synthetic-22-lr/
https://shooterschoice.com/shop/402...firearms/savage-axis-ii-xp-sts-6-5-creedmoor/
https://shooterschoice.com/shop/402...rearms/winchester-sxp-black-shadow-20ga-3-28/
That should get you off to a good start.
 
Apply for access to the exchange here. And browse and research. You'll need a 22 for sure. The semis usually need better than the bulk 22. A bolt 22 with a tube magazine will be bullet proof lol and will shoot all flavors of 22. Short and LR. 308 is a good choice lots of ammo available. 12g for sure like was said 410 seems to be a premium both gun and ammo
 
Get a 20 gauge for a shewtz gun.
Forgitt 'bout this .410 boar nawncents.
Or find ammo first.
You may be sumwutt dizzahpointitted 'bout this wee bored gun.

Check out the .308wins at the gun show used.
Old Ruger 77 or Winchester Model 70 and such might be a better built ker-pow than this new rustohleeyum chit.

Now yer prices.
Don't furgit yer PAL.
 
Well I’ve actually was given some 410 ammo a few weeks ago, and I’ve also checked local stores and I can get some boxes from them they have in stock. Also I can order them I believe as well, depends on brands 25shells for 27.99, but ya I can see they aren’t as common or everyone buys em all up fast from the stores lol

Ya I definitely plan on taking my PAL with me to the show for sure, maybe I’ll get lucky and find a nice bolt action 308 with a scope, or a decent 22 pump or lever action. I’m gonna definitely check out the 20g shotguns tho for sure. As I can always upgrade or trade up to a 12g eventually

Does anyone have any other suggestions ?? Brands or models ?? Any brands and models to stay away from ??
 
BrownR said:
Yes I have a neighbour who’s a ex cop, him and I are actually going to a gun show on Sunday in Arthur. I figured a 410shotgun would be better for me being a smaller size man. I’m 5’8 about 145lbs, figured a 12g would be a lot for my smaller frame.

I’ve always liked the semi autos as well, figured the .22 like derya would be a good little starter for myself as well. Mag can only 10rds that comes with it. Plus 22 are super cheap, and fun, plus I have a line on a like new used deyra tm22 with a Thompson 101red dot and magpul fore grip and rail covers, they’re asking 750 for it.

I also don’t wanna be stuck with wanting something for hunting and the liberals decide people can’t have them lol
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Is 5' 8" and 145 is considered a small sized man nowadays?

I'm screwed, then...

I am 5' 6", 121lbs and I have multiple 12ga shotguns and shoot full sized 12ga slugs at my club almost on a weekly basis (actually for the past 10 months, it's been on a weekly basis). Managing the recoil can be learned by us dwarves. Heck, I am shooting a 30.06 this weekend, something which a few years ago I thought I would never be able to do. As others have mentioned, leaning towards a .410 is a poor choice, not the least of the reasons for which is poor ammo availability and high prices. I have a 20ga that I don't even use anymore due to the scarcity of the ammo compared to 12 gauge.

With 12 gauges there are options for guns like Mossberg 500, 590 and Maverick 88 to use Opsol adapters so you can run 12ga Minishells or Shorty Shells which are 1" shorter than the full power 12ga loads. That has helped me to learn to manage the recoil at first on a 12ga being shorter statured and light on my feet. That may be an option to consider perhaps.

You mentioned you like semi autos would like the GSG for a .22, yet you are worried about being "stuck" with something the government may ban. The GSG was on the recent (but now rescinded) C21 G46 amendment. The Derya was on there too (think it was the TM22, forgot the model exactly) I think it's poor mindset to let the government dictate what you buy, but if you are going to go that route, you may want to know what the government is actually targeting.

It would be better to start with a quality bolt action .22 (like a Tikka T1x or a CZ 45x), buy lots of ammo, learn the fundamentals of shooting, get lots of practice and then branch out from there. And here's the thing too...just because someone raves about some gun on YouTube, at a gun show, or even here...that may not mean that the gun is a good fit FOR YOU. Plus, as mentioned, learning fundamentals and getting practice with any caliber will help long term for both shooting enjoyment and performance.
 
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BrownR said:
Does anyone have any other suggestions ?? Brands or models ?? Any brands and models to stay away from ??
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Yes stay away from all the garbage guns you suggested in your first post. Start with a .22, a bolt action savage MK2 will be inexpensive and shoot accurately. That said if you want to spend a bit nothing wrong with a CZ, but the savage will get it done. If you must have a semi then you’d be bette off with a ruger 10-22. As for the ruger American, they shoot gery accurately but they are a cheaply made budget gun and it shows in the hand. I seldom recommend savages, but I’d do it once again and suggest a savage axis over an American. It will cost less, and also be cheaply made but at least you’ll spend less and have the same level of performance. If you want to step up, there are lots of very nice bolt guns that change hands for $1000 or less on the equipment exchange here and on the used racks at local shops. A 20’gauge shotgun is a great idea. Lots of ammo availability and easy on the shoulder. If you want a lever the. The Henry .22 is a great option and they are often found for $400-450 in good shape used. Finally, gun shows…. Sometimes your better off buying used on ####### face to face time r the CGN EE or in store on the used rack. Often times gun shows don’t get you the deal your looking for. That said, I’d be at Arthur too if I wasn’t working have fun!
 
BrownR said:
Hey guys so I’ve been thinking and checking my on line for rifles and shotguns for myself. Was thinking maybe you guys could help me out with some pros and cons with the few I’m thinking about purchasing

One is the Ruger American Ranch rifle in .308, but I’ve been told the mossberg predator in 308 or even mossberg mvp 308 is a good option as well as it comes with optics as well. I’ll be using something like this for hunting

Second is a .410 shotgun, Charles Daly 101 single shot brake barrel, all though I’m not sure where or if I can different chokes for that one to shoot slugs as well. I would like to be able to shoot bird shot as well as slugs from the shotgun but in .410. Also have thought about a lever action .410 but the wire quite expensive I’ve noticed

Then finally some .22s, whether it’s a gsg15. Derya tm22, or maybe a lever action or pump action for practise and fun shooting
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Welcome to the shooting sports, and you've come to the right place to get good advice...if you're willing to take it. I can tell you I DIDN'T for at least 1/2 my years shooting..maybe thinking I knew better, I know budget played into it. Mind you, early-on, these were pre-internet/reddit/YouTube/web forum years when dinosaurs roamed the earth. lol

Anyhow, I probably agree with over 90% of the suggestions so far, but I'll start by saying that picking guns seldom looks like that^, like making a grocery list/checking off boxes. Here is what I think;

308=don't buy anything right now. Doesn't sound like you're anywhere near being able to own a 308 for at least 5 reasons that come to mind instantly.

410 shotgun=don't, unless you have years of shotgunning under your belt, completely understand it's limitations of attempting to hunt with such a low power round, and have a good budget for ammo. If you absolutely must buy a single shot, grab an older Cooey 84 in good condition. As others have said, 20ga would be a FAR better option for a host of reasons including a useful amount of power, modest recoil, ammo availability, ammo cost, gun availability, gun options=you name it. Worth noting-if you can't manage a 20ga, you probably shouldn't get a 410 either. I owned a Cooey 84 in 410, and as heavy as that gun was..I never loved shooting it with only a T-shirt on. lol There is recoil in both. You absolutely COULD buy a 12ga and manage it just fine too. Yes, there is recoil..but all shotguns have recoil. Good fit and good technique takes a huge bite out of it, so have an experienced person show you the ropes. 20ga will cover everything but ducks/geese and large game animals. Lots of people hunt deer with 20ga. but nobody would say it does that better than a 12ga. My 12 year old daughter used to love shooting 12ga slugs at frozen logs when we were scouting for groundhogs in the spring. All kinds of recoil, but no pain/no gain. :)

What 20ga? Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 would be hard to beat, with great parts availability and lots of aftermarket options.

22LR-this is where you should start if you only get one gun. Which I recommend. Buy a magazine-fed, bolt action.

Good levers/pumps are great, but fussier to load and good ones are expensive. More of a pain to clean too. Semis can be inexpensive to buy, but have poor/heavy triggers and are also a pain to clean compared to a bolt gun. I would suggest a wood-stocked Savage Mark II, any of the newer Savage B series bolt actions, Marlin, etc. If budget allows, a used CZ452, a new/used CZ457. If you could swing it, I think the Tikka T1x MTR (20" barrel) might be my top pick for the money.

Lastly-gun shows are notorious for high asking prices, so have a sense of what values are before you go.

Good luck!
 
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