Hi-Point Dealer
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Cocked&Locked
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- S. Ontario
Remember what hipoint designed them for. Not everyone can afford a 500$ pistol for home/self defence. If I was poor and living in a bad neighbour hood I'd buy one to put in the bedside table.....that being said, I'd also be saving to buy a decent gun. But alot of people aren't gun people, just want to be able to defend themselves...ugly has its place. At least they live in a country where they can defend themselves
According to the FRT it is prohibited. The reason cited is:
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2. Any rifle, shotgun or carbine stock of the type known as the "bull-pup" design, being a stock that, when combined with a firearm, reduces the overall length of the firearm such that a substantial part of the reloading action or the magazine-well is located behind the trigger of the firearm when it is held in the normal firing position.
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As far as I can tell these cannot be fired without the stock. Also the HP is not a bullpup.
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2. Any rifle, shotgun or carbine stock of the type known as the "bull-pup" design, being a stock that, when combined with a firearm, reduces the overall length of the firearm such that a substantial part of the reloading action or the magazine-well is located behind the trigger of the firearm when it is held in the normal firing position.
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As far as I can tell these cannot be fired without the stock. Also the HP is not a bullpup.
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According to the FRT, the firearm's stock is a prohibited device, being a bullpup stock; if the stock is removed, the remains would be "correctly" considered to be restricted. Not my definition of a bullpup. Anyone ever seen a legal definition of a bullpup?
Now if the stock of a Hi Point carbine is prohibited because it is a bullpup stock what the status of a Mech Tech CCU?
If a Hi Point carbine stock is a bullpup stock, what is an Uzi stock?
Etc., etc.
Now if the stock of a Hi Point carbine is prohibited because it is a bullpup stock what the status of a Mech Tech CCU?
If a Hi Point carbine stock is a bullpup stock, what is an Uzi stock?
Etc., etc.
If the carbine is a bullpup, presumably because of the position of the magazine relative to the trigger, then would that make the stock for a Browning or Mauser pistol a bullpup stock? It is certainly an add-on accessory stock not necessary for the function of the firearm.
CanAm - Your online version is obviously more recent than my version on discs. If the carbine is now classed as prohibited - and not just the stock - it means that a decision to reclassify was made. As I understand it, for a firearm (not a prohibited device) to be reclassified from restricted to prohibited, an Order In Council would be required. There has been no such OIC. It would be interesting to find out how the reclassification was accomplished without following the due process as defined by law.
CanAm - Your online version is obviously more recent than my version on discs. If the carbine is now classed as prohibited - and not just the stock - it means that a decision to reclassify was made. As I understand it, for a firearm (not a prohibited device) to be reclassified from restricted to prohibited, an Order In Council would be required. There has been no such OIC. It would be interesting to find out how the reclassification was accomplished without following the due process as defined by law.
tiriaq said:
This gun is floating in a sea of grey. There are so few in Canada that no ones thinks about it. All they have done is cite the bullpup stock rule and classed it as prohib, no OIC. My guess is this will not stand up in court, or possibly even if the are called on it. But again so few owners to fight. I don't know enough about them to say whether the gun can be fired without the stock, but I don't believe it can from looking at pics. Also the stock is not a conversion but factory.
I've never seen a Hi Point, but suspect that without the stock, it wouldn't function. If it was determined that the Beretta's stock was a bullpup stock, this would freeze the Beretta situation with out the Gov't having to formally "ban" it. The G22 stock is factory, not a conversion, and we all know about that situation.
I suspect that the Hi Point carbine was viewed as the sort of gun to be discouraged and something had to be done before there was a batch of them on the market.
I suspect that the Hi Point carbine was viewed as the sort of gun to be discouraged and something had to be done before there was a batch of them on the market.
