Hickok45 having way too much fun with a Sten gun

Reminds me of firing the Stirling, being paid to do so. From the shoulder it wanders a fair bit, but even at 50 yards, it puts a lot of holes in the target.
A pump shotgun with 00Buck can do much the same thing, my Grizzy Mag is my "civi Sterling".
That guy always comes across well.

edit: The Brits have reissued the Sten Gun, if you are a registered UKARA or BAC member, you can actually buy one, here it is:
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farmer47 said:
my brother in laws father talked of carrying one overseas during house clearing operations . they would throw this gun in a window and it would fire until the mag was empty . i do not know if they rigged it up or whether it fired on its own when it hit the floor but he said it was effective . he was not a man to exaggerate .
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I still believe that one is an urban legend. One of my old corporals told me the same story. Even if you could get it to do that, the mag is empty in 3 seconds and you have no idea where the rounds went. Just my opinion.
 
Wouldn't it make more sense to throw a grenade in rather than one of your firearms? (in a combat houseclearing)

But that story about soldiers throwing a Sten in to runaway and saturate a room with bullets sure has been around for a long time. Wonder if there's anything to it? It would sure mess the minds of the soldiers in the room, a subgun going off and nobody to shoot back at.
 
Anyone who buys that also believes in the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy.

Probably came about when someone discovered the STEN could fire if the butt was bumped hard enough on a hard surface while cocked.
 
cantom said:
That is cool! Would love to do that. He is one lucky American.
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No, he is fortunate to live in a country with a tradition of standing up to totalitarian government that puts individual rights ahead of collective rights.

You live in a country where people like purple think only the army and police should have access to FA firearms. That's a short step from the full version of Alan Rock's belief.
 
We've both made our point. Readers can decide which better relates to our current situation. I am open to further discussion on mine.
 
Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion and there is never anything wrong with agreeing to disagree.

But if someone wants to quote what I said, I'd ask that they do it correctly. I never said that I believed that only the army and police should have access to FA firearms. What I did say was that I do not support people having unregulated access to FA firearms. I also said that I do support citizens being able to own and shoot FA firearms subject to licensing which certifies both their competence in the use of firearms and the fact that they have no criminal history or record of mental instability.

People should be realistic about the political and social environment that we all live in at this point in time. Whether we like it or not, changes in firearms policy and legislation in Canada can only be done by a democratically elected government which has the legal authority to make these changes. If anyone thinks that any government, or political party that aspires to be the government, will enact legislation that would allow anyone and everyone in the country to have unlimited access to FA firearms, then they are sadly delusional in their expectations and are destined to die a frustrated and unhappy old man. The majority of the population would not vote for such a measure under any circumstances, and any party which would include such a policy in their electoral platform is doomed from the start, and that includes any of the political parties that exist today. But people do have the option of forming a political party which would place this at the center of their agenda (let's call it the AOGWUUATFAF party for short, or Angry Old Guys Wanting Universal Unrestricted Access To Fully Automatic Firearms), but it would be a one trick pony which might garner a thousand votes in a general election at best. Elvis definitely left the building on this one many years ago, and he is not coming back.

The best hope that we have on this, and it's a slim one at best, is that some future shooter friendly government (see any of those on the horizon?) might decide to roll back the current ATT and grandfathering provisions which might again enable duly licenced individuals to own FA firearms and transport them to a shooting range. This is what people should continue to press for with their elected MPs as there is no other lawful way to get it done. Many of us became quite active after the great Mulroney/Campbell betrayal in 1991-92 and dumped the Conservatives for first Reform, and then Alliance, and finally the current version of the Conservatives with the hope of some improvement for gun owners. All we have really seen since the ascent of the Conservatives is a moratorium on further encroachments (slap on the wrist for High River though) and the repeal of the LGR which made no sense for either budgetary or crime control reasons.

BTW I do believe that shooting FA firearms is a lot of fun and is a perfectly legitimate activity. Off the top of my head I did get to shoot all of the following when in uniform; C1 SMG, FNC2, C7, M1919BMG and GPMG, .50cal Browning, M60 GPMG, M16A1, German MG3, Finnish M62, and AK47. As a civvy I also got to shoot a STEN, BREN, Lewis, Mp44, Thompson, M1918A2 BAR and M3 Grease Gun. All of the above were registered or controlled in some way which didn't seem to reduce the enjoyment aspect one bit.
 
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Anyone who buys that also believes in the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy.

Probably came about when someone discovered the STEN could fire if the butt was bumped hard enough on a hard surface while cocked.
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Actually. It fires when bumped very easily if the bolt is closed on an empty chamber. If bumped hard, the bolt flys back far enough to pick up a round from the chamber and not far enough for the sear to engage, thus firing the round.
This happened to an artillary guy in Petawawa in 1970 during the FLQ crisis. He jumped out of the truck and bumped his SMG and it killed him. The SMG came into our base shop for inspection befor being sent to Ottawa.

And by the way. I agree with Purple. Please read his full post befor dissing him.
 
Let's get something straight - disagreeing with someone's point of view is not "dissing" the person, nor does it constitute a 'personal attack', at least not as I understand the term.

It's simple. Registration is forever, the paper trail existing in some form somewhere. Licencing can and does expire at the whim of government. Due to licencing, there are several classes of firearms ownership - full autos and 12(6) prohibs. Some of us own firearms others will NEVER have the opportunity to own. You hear people lamenting this state of affairs on CGN regularly.
For those of us that owned some or all of these firearms, pre-dating any of this social engineering bovine garden enhancer, this is utter nonsense. It accomplished exactly ..... ? Help me here, it MUST have been done for some good reason. It sure wasn't done for the usual reasons of peace, order and good government, based on the criminal misuse of these firearms.

Did the introduction of the FAC accomplish anything other than to make 'paper criminals' out of otherwise law-abiding citizens who did not apply? The same can be said of the subsequent POL/PAL system. What has banning, restricting, prohibiting, licencing done other than to reduce the number of firearms owners? How many times have you heard of people giving up owning handguns because they tired of the associated paperwork? How many people would like to own an AR 15 but won't for the same reason? How many would like to legally own an heirloom 'prohib' but missed the cut off date?

Has this improved the quality of life for Canadians? Is our society a safer, gentler place as a result? Has it prevented events like what happened at L'Ecole Polytechnique, Dawson College, Mayerthorpe, the rcmp shootings in New Brunswick, the National War Memorial in Ottawa?

How many have read "Gun Control - Gateway To Tyranny" by the late Aaron Zelman? How many are aware that the 1968 US Gun Control Bill and our own gun control laws (including the term "firearms acquisition permit") are taken almost verbatim from the 1938 Nazi Gun Control Laws? I find it difficult to discuss these things with people who are uninformed and unaware of the historical precedents.

I repeat - between licencing and registration, licencing is the greater evil. Those who cannot or will not grasp this simple fact are advocating, aiding and abetting the 'Prime Directive' - civil disarmament one gun, one 'classification' at a time. You'd think it would be obvious in view of the guns we have lost access to since the process began.

The brouhaha over 'good gun- bad gun" (to include FA's and the other prohibs like the FN FAL) is a smokescreen, an intended divisive issue right out of the "Divide and Conquer" handbook of the Caesars. My personal weapon for 12 years was the Sterling SMG, but my real love was for the FN C1. I don't own one as our local range is not approved for firearms of this type, but we have a bay approved for the .50 BMG! Huh? What's wrong with this picture?

Thanks, licencing. What's next on the list - Garands and other WWII battle rifles? The .50 BMG rifles? Paraphrasing the Arch Bishop of Vienna : "They came for the full-autos, but I didn't have one, so I didn't care. Then they came for the semi-auto battle rifles, but I didn't have one of those either, so I didn't care. Then they came for semi-auto shotguns and sporting rifles, but again, I didn't have one of those either. When they came for my bolt action hunting rifle, there was no one left to care."

Get the picture?

I have no issue with purple other than this. I regard him as a brother-in-arms save for his endorsement of licencing. He likes to speak of his use of FA firearms in both his military career and as a civilian and how much fun it was/is. I'm happy for him, but if I may intercede on behalf of those not so fortunate, this is disingenuous, to say the very least, an insult to injury at best.

The recent incident in Paris France, hot on the heels of our own Jihadist attack in Ottawa, serves to prove the folly of tightening up controls on the citizens of any country. All the programs of licencing, permits and other controls do NOTHING to make the world a safer, gentler place. Social re-engineering be damned. Where has it ever worked and why should we be the victims of the next great social experiment?
 
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The Sten is an interesting gun. It is so simple and crude that you have low expectations for it. Mine runs like a sewing machine and is quite accurate. On single shot I can hit a pop can at 20 yards.
 
The Government was very deceitful in the months leading up to the implementation of C-68. There was talk of prohibition and confiscation on their part, but little info was supplied to firearms owners that a grandfathering option would be provided.
The Internet was not a common thing at the time and a million hunters said "Meh" it does not affect me.
The end result was that we ,as law abiding firearm owners lost some of our rights and a whole wack of guns. The end result was.
A veteran cannot take something that he used to protect this country to the range?
Colt SAA in .32/20 are prohibited because that is the gangbangers weapon of choice?
Stupid inane gun laws, that is what it is.
The Ruger 10/22 has joined the ranks of the evil converted full auto because of it's 25 round magazine.
 
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