High end single shot field guns

[conor_90]

The 310 with mod/mod chokes is “ready to rock” out of the box as well, tempting. Adding a soft pad and keeping the same lop should deal with the chip at the toe.

Do you believe it will handle steel loads in its current configuration?

 

[canvasback]

The 310 with mod/mod chokes is “ready to rock” out of the box as well, tempting. Adding a soft pad and keeping the same lop should deal with the chip at the toe.

Do you believe it will handle steel loads in its current configuration?

Do you mean the 610 AS? Most likely handle steel. If I was going to shoot steel regularly I wouldn't take an ad's say so, I'd actually measure them. And of course to measure them properly you must measure the bore ahead of the choke and then the subsequent constriction. Knowing the internal diameter of the choke alone is useless.

If I were buying that gun, I'd put a new pad on it, open up the first barrel to IC and glass bed the inletting. Glass bedding the inletting solidifies the potentially delicate inletting of the wood and more importantly insures full contact between the wood and the steel, thereby dispersing the impact of recoil over the largest possible surface and ensuring your stock head never splits. Wood shrinks over time. That is why stocks split. The wood has pulled away from the metal and the forces of recoil get concentrated. But I'm a believer in preventative maintenance on my guns, not waiting until they break to do something .

You could buy that gun, have all that work down by a good SxS smith (most smiths aren't sxs smiths) and still have change from your $1000. I make the point about smiths because over half the money I spend restoring SxS is based on fixing damaged cause by a smith who didn't know $hit about SxS.

And you'd have a gun that can hold it's own in any company.

 

[ParksPipes]

Another single to suggest is a Manufrance Fusil Simplex.
Saw one on ####### or the EE a little while back in fantastic condition and it looked like good value.
But unless you want single barrel specifically for the novelty I’d have to cast my vote with guys and go for an extra shot or two.
Heavy gun, light gun, new gun, old gun and long or short all can be found no matter....all reasons to start collecting

 

[Stephen Nash]

I wish the OP well in finding the gun he wants, and there is good advice in this thread. Happy hunting days ahead!

I'm chiming in only because the words 'British singles' appeared, and you can't have enough of that kind of eye candy. Canvasback, let's see more of that Tolley. I would rather spend $$$ for a handful of bismuth shells and bring down a bird with a gun like that, for the sheer pleasure of the experience, than fill my limit with a factory widget.

My British single is a 16 by Thomas Seymour of London (1841-1844), converted from percussion, weighing just short of 5 pounds (yes, it kicks something fierce):

And just for fun, here's a single Boss & Co. of London, one of only three single pinfires the firm made:

In its day, it would have cost someone's annual salary.

And a 12-bore by the Edinburgh firm of John Dickson & Son, one of only ten single pinfires the firm made:

Finally, a single 16-bore conversion by Thomas George Sylven of London, made with a barrel from a percussion gun by the London gunmaker Richard Seffens (1820-1829). The client must have prized that barrel to have wanted a new breech-loading gun built around it, either for its shooting qualities or sentimental value.:

OK, I'll go back into my dark cave now, and leave you all to your practical recommerndations.

 

[Big Bad]

Ive only got what I consider to be $hitty photos of it. Need a good cloudy day when I remember to take some new shots. Its a very fun gun but to your point, at 5 pounds flat, recoil is a bear even with light loads suitable for vintage guns.

If it were me and I was searching for a gun, I'd be focused on finding (not hard) a decent Husqvarna 310. I like them a bit better than the 610s. You should be able to find a 310 AS in 12 gauge for easily within your budget of $600 and probably still have some cash for opening the chokes if that's required. They are extremely well made and if you get a later edition 310 AS you are going to have fantastic quality steel barrels. As far as parts go, they don't break. I can't get parts for any of my guns. But after now close to 20 years of hunting and shooting almost exclusively with vintage SxS, I've never had a part break while using a gun. I have bough a couple knowing I was going to have to get a part made. That gets factored into the purchase price.

That's my lifelong issue with single barrels, esp the cheaply made mail order vintage that I referred to earlier (now $100 guns). Wonderfully light and naturally given to a kid to use, but when I wasn't much taller than it was I used to regard my 16 G as a portable mule I carried around that was going to deliver me a good kicking whenever I tried to put it to work.

 

[conor_90]

Do you mean the 610 AS?

Referring to this gun:

https://intersurplus.com/products/husqvarna-310-as-sxs-12ga


Very nice guns pinfire; when will the Turkish clones be coming out on those?


Googled the manufrance simplex and there are some very nice guns with straight grips and case hardened receivers under that name. They do not seem to fetch a lot in auctions in France but not sure how many made it over here.

Not sure if it was here or nitro express forums but someone shared ones of their and they offered a variety of guns under that name including a beefier “ canardier” model

 

[brybenn]

The idea of using lead for upland and steel or bismuth for waterfowl on the same outing isnt a good one. The mere possession of lead shells while hunting waterfowl is not legal

 

[canvasback]

Referring to this gun:

https://intersurplus.com/products/husqvarna-310-as-sxs-12ga


Very nice guns pinfire; when will the Turkish clones be coming out on those?


Googled the manufrance simplex and there are some very nice guns with straight grips and case hardened receivers under that name. They do not seem to fetch a lot in auctions in France but not sure how many made it over here.

Not sure if it was here or nitro express forums but someone shared ones of their and they offered a variety of guns under that name including a beefier “ canardier” model

I was just looking at a DR by Manufrance. One of their Ideals. I've owned about 5 Ideals in shotgun format but that was the first DR I had seen. MF made well built guns. And extraordinarily successful. They sold 945,000 Robust SxS. That's more of that model than the total output of any American SxS makers.

Regarding the Husky. Most of the 310's were made before WWII. Can't remember offhand when they stopped production of that model. If I had the serial number I could date it and also probably tell you who actually worked on the gun. If you really hated the pistol grip a good stock guy could probably convert it to a straight stock. You end up with a short tang when most straight stocks have long tangs but that's not that big a deal.

 

[conor_90]

The idea of using lead for upland and steel or bismuth for waterfowl on the same outing isnt a good one. The mere possession of lead shells while hunting waterfowl is not legal

For Ontario (not the centre of the world amazingly

https://oodmag.com/ask-a-co-can-i-carry-ammo-for-both-turkeys-and-waterfowl/


All sask regs pertaining to non toxic:

Federal page:

Sask regs:

You can aid in CO discretion by policing your shell casings (which presumably you are doin anyways) for them to examine and not being a douche when questioned.


Again, try just putting +1 and save time typing. Mixed bag hunting has been done by many; even many in this thread I would image; the idea for me didn’t come out of thin air.


RE: Manufrance; my understanding is they were a mail order company like Sears etc; not sure if they produced guns themselves or sold rebranded stuff like NAACO etc?

 

[the spank]

Add $3900 to your budget and I'll sell you one of the nicest TMS' you'll probably see north of the lower 48 with a complete full restoration by CJ Dawe sporting SC3 Grade wood! And just think no safety to slow you down and a drop out trigger assembly. 34" stepped rib factory screw choked barrel too!

 

[conor_90]

Sounds perfect for leaving under the truck seat

 

[canvasback]

For Ontario (not the centre of the world amazingly

https://oodmag.com/ask-a-co-can-i-carry-ammo-for-both-turkeys-and-waterfowl/


All sask regs pertaining to non toxic:

Federal page:

Sask regs:

You can aid in CO discretion by policing your shell casings (which presumably you are doin anyways) for them to examine and not being a douche when questioned.


Again, try just putting +1 and save time typing. Mixed bag hunting has been done by many; even many in this thread I would image; the idea for me didn’t come out of thin air.


RE: Manufrance; my understanding is they were a mail order company like Sears etc; not sure if they produced guns themselves or sold rebranded stuff like NAACO etc?

Manufrance made guns. There is no doubt about it. They started the business in 1888 with the introduction of the Ideal. The mail order aspect was just their business model for getting to the consumer. Their two key halo products were guns and bicycles and they just kept filling in around those two lines. They closed up shop in 1985. The Manufrance Ideal was in production constantly from 1888 until 1985. The Robust was introduced in 1912 and went to 1985.

 

[sillymike]

If you are bored, a few months back, we did have a tread going about singles
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2217358-Exotic-single-shot-shotguns

 

[brybenn]

For Ontario (not the centre of the world amazingly

https://oodmag.com/ask-a-co-can-i-carry-ammo-for-both-turkeys-and-waterfowl/


All sask regs pertaining to non toxic:

Federal page:

Sask regs:

You can aid in CO discretion by policing your shell casings (which presumably you are doin anyways) for them to examine and not being a douche when questioned.


Again, try just putting +1 and save time typing. Mixed bag hunting has been done by many; even many in this thread I would image; the idea for me didn’t come out of thin air.


RE: Manufrance; my understanding is they were a mail order company like Sears etc; not sure if they produced guns themselves or sold rebranded stuff like NAACO etc?

Or you can read the FEDERAL migratory game act where it clearly states you can not use or POSSESS non toxic shot while hunting migratory birds with the exception of woodcock. Waterfowl is federal.

 

[brybenn]

Its even clearly stated in the response from a CO you posted.

 

[Suther]

Or you can read the FEDERAL migratory game act where it clearly states you can not use or POSSESS non toxic shot while hunting migratory birds with the exception of woodcock. Waterfowl is federal.

Not quite. It says you cannot possess for the purpose of hunting migratory birds. It doesn't say possession while hunting migratory birds is straight-up illegal:

Hunting Methods and Equipment (continued)
15.1 (1) Subject to subsection (2), no person shall

(a) possess, for the purpose of hunting a migratory game bird, except a woodcock, band-tailed pigeon, mourning dove or Eurasian collared-dove, shot other than non-toxic shot; or
(b) hunt a migratory game bird, except a woodcock, band-tailed pigeon, mourning dove or Eurasian collared-dove, by the use of shot other than non-toxic shot.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._1035/page-3.html

Will a CO believe your word when you say you're not using that lead in your pocket to shoot at ducks? Only one way to find out...

Its even clearly stated in the response from a CO you posted.

But does it?

If, however, you are carrying both lead shot and non-toxic shot, officers will exercise their discretion as dictated by the circumstances.

That's a pretty noncommittal answer IMO.

 

[conor_90]

Its even clearly stated in the response from a CO you posted.

Are you reading the same article everyone else is?

If you want to be needlessly contrarian you can just post “ wrong” instead of +1. Think of the time savings.

When waterfowl hunting do you carry dozens of steel signalling shots for your gun based communication regime? Must get expensive; imagine all the fake cans and barrel replacements for the 25-06 you build or replace a shot out barrel on every few months you could afford if all 60 signalling shots were lead.

Maybe you are using cartridges for the rifle you carry as well though

What does this have to do with well made modern signal shots again?

+1


I’m sure even a CO with BB levels of intellect could determine that a guy with a buttstock cartridge holder with both non toxic waterfowl loads and upland lead loads, no decoys or blind and walking around a community pasture wearing high viz with a single pass shot duck, a good attitude and one or two empty non toxic shell casings is mixed bag hunting and conforming to legislation. I’m willing to risk it

 

[sillymike]

Lets get back to single, shall we?

- Greener GP Trap. Oddly enough, the few of them I'd seen over the years didn't have side safety

 

[VictoryXC]

I remember posting pictures for another CGN member a while back of his high grade Ithaca single barrel trap gun. (I think it was a 7e) A really nice looking gun.

 

[sillymike]

Well, there one of those sitting on the shelves at TheGunDealer in NB

Baker Gun Co Trap 12GAx2 3/4″ 32″bbl