high point

Clobbersauras said:
Do a search on the Hi -point carbine - have a look at some of the forums. It seems you value the information found in a forum judging by your # of posts. It is actually fairly highly regarded for what it is....A FUN PLINKER.

Gun Tests is also one of the better "rags" it doesn't take advertising and it's reviews state what they found during their evaluation nothing more. Yes, they do give bad reviews - all the time. You've obviously never read the publication.

Now, would I buy a Hi Point Pistol - NO - but would I buy a hi point carbine as a fun plinker - Yes - if the price was right....

Edit: Oh yeah - I forgot - Gun Tests did do a review on a high point pistol...they hated it and gave it a horible review. I seem to recall that it functioned flawlessly but it was so obnoxious they couldn't continue the evaluation. Then they tested the carbine and gave it a best buy rating....
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I'm well aware of "gun Tests" publication. They unlike the major gun rags don't hold back too much of their opinion when testing. I agree with you. For a plinker they're cheap and could be fun for the guy who shoots a few rounds per trip. For many, the service life isn't overly important. However, if their pistols fail miserably, why would you think their rifles would be any better as far as quality?? Even if they(rifles) were better than their pistols, why not save some extra coin and get something that has a reputation and support behind it instead of taking the risk on a low dollar brand with no history??

TDC
 
Well kids, I've actually met Tom Deebs (Founder/owner of Hi-Point) and taken his "armourer's" course, and fired quite a few Hi-Points. Here's what I know and merely my opinion. Tom's "corporate philosophy" (If you'd met Tom, you'd probably know why I'm using quotation marks...) is that it shouldn't just be rich people who can afford to defend themselves. So he turns out a super cheap but functional pistol that's meant to sit in the drawer of the night-stand. They're all straight blow-back (No matter the calibre) and that's why they have giant, ugly, heavy slides. A couple of action-shooter types have tried them out on a lark and are surprised at how easily they point, and the boat-anchor weight of the slide seems to help them get back on target quick. I haven't seen the carbines as much. I'd like one for the cheap price, but according to the FRT, some chooch at the RCMP seems to have classified it as having a "Bullpup stock" and calling it a prohibited device. I don't get how that could be a Bullpup stock and yet a Beretta storm isn't. Anyhoo...
The Hi-Point pistols sell like crazy in the States, but not to actual firearm aficionados. Just working stiffs living in the bad part of town and not wanting the baddies of that part of town taking his stuff. Also interesting is that unlike such "fine" cheapo pistol makers like Lorcin & Bryco, Tom seems to have genuine care and conscience that occasionally his pistols are used by criminals and he has many interesting initiatives that assist law enforcement.

So on the whole, we're not missing much. But it does fill a niche market in the States. If you have the wherewithal to own a computer, and have an internet connection, then you can probably pick up a nicer used pistol to enjoy on the CGN EE forums.

My 2 cents.
 
TDC said:
I'm well aware of "gun Tests" publication. They unlike the major gun rags don't hold back too much of their opinion when testing. I agree with you. For a plinker they're cheap and could be fun for the guy who shoots a few rounds per trip. For many, the service life isn't overly important. However, if their pistols fail miserably, why would you think their rifles would be any better as far as quality?? Even if they(rifles) were better than their pistols, why not save some extra coin and get something that has a reputation and support behind it instead of taking the risk on a low dollar brand with no history??

TDC
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In the US the Hi-point firearms have a 100% lifetime warantee...what's to lose with a cheap gun...LOL:D The pistols look like hair dryers:D

Funny thing is...do you remember when that rapeist/murderer was on the lose in the U.S. south a couple of years ago? For the life of me I can't remember his name...doesn't matter....anyway he was all over the show America's most wanted. They showed a couple of local yokal police officers seraching the back woods and cabins...things like that. One of the police officers was a huge guy...probably 350 pounds of pure....FAT. Anyway, they showed them cautiously going room to room in this abandoned house looking for this murderer. I was shocked to see the big police officer was using a hi point carbine:eek:. The only thing I could think was "man is that department operating on a tight budget or what?"...I certainly wouldn't trust my life on a carbine I paid less than $200 for..unless it was a Lee Jungle carbine:D
 
Pyroman said:
Well kids, I've actually met Tom Deebs (Founder/owner of Hi-Point) and taken his "armourer's" course, and fired quite a few Hi-Points. Here's what I know and merely my opinion. Tom's "corporate philosophy" (If you'd met Tom, you'd probably know why I'm using quotation marks...) is that it shouldn't just be rich people who can afford to defend themselves. So he turns out a super cheap but functional pistol that's meant to sit in the drawer of the night-stand. They're all straight blow-back (No matter the calibre) and that's why they have giant, ugly, heavy slides. A couple of action-shooter types have tried them out on a lark and are surprised at how easily they point, and the boat-anchor weight of the slide seems to help them get back on target quick. I haven't seen the carbines as much. I'd like one for the cheap price, but according to the FRT, some chooch at the RCMP seems to have classified it as having a "Bullpup stock" and calling it a prohibited device. I don't get how that could be a Bullpup stock and yet a Beretta storm isn't. Anyhoo...
The Hi-Point pistols sell like crazy in the States, but not to actual firearm aficionados. Just working stiffs living in the bad part of town and not wanting the baddies of that part of town taking his stuff. Also interesting is that unlike such "fine" cheapo pistol makers like Lorcin & Bryco, Tom seems to have genuine care and conscience that occasionally his pistols are used by criminals and he has many interesting initiatives that assist law enforcement.

So on the whole, we're not missing much. But it does fill a niche market in the States. If you have the wherewithal to own a computer, and have an internet connection, then you can probably pick up a nicer used pistol to enjoy on the CGN EE forums.

My 2 cents.
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WTF??? Why would the carbine be classified as prohib??? OH WAIT, I FORGOT THAT OUR LAWS ARE INSANE:runaway:
 
Offering products to those who are less financially "able" is fine. When we're talking about generic medications and no name brand food. Answer me this. If you live in a bad end of town and are legal to carry. Would you trust your life to $130 worth of large, heavy steel? My life is worth more than that. I'd save up for a quality piece. Used Glocks run around $350-400 in the US. Its not a far stretch for the "less fortunate" who value their lives.

TDC
 
What a well off bunch of people we are. There are people in the U.S. , that $130 for a gun is putting your family on very short rations to buy something legal and new with a garantee and you are saying put the kids on half rations so you can buy a $300 or $400 gun. People there is a different world out there that most of us don't see and be thankful you don't live in it. There are people and places in Canada similar but they can't buy the same or maybe any guns.
 
I have never seen any Hi Point firearm, have no personal experience with one.
I would certainly like to, as a matter of curiosity, if nothing else.
I am sure that those who are able to categorically classify them as absolute junk are basing their opinion on personal experience with them. Oddly enough though, there is not one post in this thread stating, "I fired/tried to fire X rounds out of a Hi Point pistol/carbine/whatever, and such and such happened". Strange, isn't it?
 
I'd still like to play with a carbine...if any of the retailers/importers are listening::wave:

Geeze CanAm.....at the price they are going for you could bring in 20 demo guns to let people try em out AND still not equal the price of two Tavors:D

Do we have to get Dekard to start a:

"CANAM WILL YOU BRING IN THE HIGH POINT CARBINE" thread???


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TDC said:
Offering products to those who are less financially "able" is fine. When we're talking about generic medications and no name brand food. Answer me this. If you live in a bad end of town and are legal to carry. Would you trust your life to $130 worth of large, heavy steel? My life is worth more than that. I'd save up for a quality piece. Used Glocks run around $350-400 in the US. Its not a far stretch for the "less fortunate" who value their lives.

TDC
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It may come as shock to you but many people live paycheck to paycheck, they just don’t have the income to save for stuff or everything they make goes to pay for a roof over their head, food in the belly or to cover medical costs for a long term disability. I know that I had to give up shooting for awhile because of costs so I can understand peoples concern. Norinco and Hi-point allow people to get started and that is good for all of us.
 
Originally posted by TDC: "Hi Point firearms are crap..."
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tiriaq said:
I have never seen any Hi Point firearm, have no personal experience with one. I would certainly like to, as a matter of curiosity, if nothing else. I am sure that those who are able to categorically classify them as absolute junk are basing their opinion on personal experience with them. Oddly enough though, there is not one post in this thread stating, "I fired/tried to fire X rounds out of a Hi Point pistol/carbine/whatever, and such and such happened". Strange, isn't it?
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:D

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210524
 
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I just had a look at the dissembly video. It does appear the gun is complete without the stock. So the only real arguement would be, "is it a bullpup?". i'e does the fact that it has a mag through the grip exclude it as being a bullpup? Normally I would say yes, as I wouldn't class an UZI, etc as a bullpup.
 
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My brother that lives in MT has a Hi-Point 9mm. He bought it off a friend who needed some cash. I think that the gun serves the purpose that it was built for, that is a cheap gun that is used maybe once a year for a few shots then put back in the night stand. He has not put a lot of rds through it since he got it but it has been reliable for him.

Its a classic case of because it is a low cost item, people think it is crap. I think some people have this opinion that it has to cost a certain amount to have a place in the gun world.

Is it on the same level as a Glock or other firearms, no, but its not supposed to be is it;)

And at least its a cheap item thats not made in China:D
 
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Colin said:
It may come as shock to you but many people live paycheck to paycheck, they just don’t have the income to save for stuff or everything they make goes to pay for a roof over their head, food in the belly or to cover medical costs for a long term disability. I know that I had to give up shooting for awhile because of costs so I can understand peoples concern. Norinco and Hi-point allow people to get started and that is good for all of us.
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I'm not debating that point. I think most of us live pay cheque to pay cheque. With some spare money now and then. For those who cannot afford to shoot, that's their issue and I'm sorry to hear that. Having a limited budget is not an excuse to run poor equipment. For the less fortunate who want to sport shoot, the cheaper brands are an option. For the less fortunate who wish to defend themselves, its not. The term "budget" refers to a set value over a specific time period. If your current budget cannot facilitate a quality piece of equipment, then extend the time frame, therefore increasing your budget. It takes discipline and some prior planning. Someone else had mentioned a "scenario" where purchasing a quality firearm would take away food for the kids." For starters, mythical scenarios have zero merit. Second, perhaps those who might find themselves in this situation should have thought about their financial situation prior to having kids. Some might say "accidents happen". I agree, but most accidents are predictable and preventable.

The real question you have to ask is: What is your life worth?? I've seen plenty of folks at my local range who are happy to be shooting their low dollar or high dollar gear. Many proclaim they've waited months, or years to save up for the rifle. All while puffing on a cigarette, driving a new vehicle. Its about priorities...For some, firearms don't make the top of the list.

TDC
 
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