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TDC, it seems to me that you have answered your own question as to why people buy Hi-Point. They are not high or even medium volume shooters. They put few rds through their gun and don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm sure that if you were to put thousands of rds/year down range the Hi-Point would not function reliably. But if you only put a hundred rds through it a year it would hold up just fine and be reliable when called upon if maintained properly. Plus it has a good warranty. Peoples priorities lie in different places, and no one is asking you to use the product or trust your life to it.

TDC said:
Take a look around. No self respecting LE agency, Military, or competitive shooter owns or uses Hi Point products. They retail for less than the cost of a good belt and holster. For some, that's called a clue..
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The Hi-Point is not designed or intended to be used by LE/Military. You are comparing two different things. If you only judge a product based on if these groups are using it, I think you need to re-adjust the glasses you are looking through.


Another point is that we in Canada have little to no first hand experience with this line of guns and are just talking out our asses.......especially me:D
 
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GIGGIDY said:
TDC, it seems to me that you have answered your own question as to why people buy Hi-Point. They are not high or even medium volume shooters. They put few rds through their gun and don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm sure that if you were to put thousands of rds/year down range the Hi-Point would not function reliably. But if you only put a hundred rds through it a year it would hold up just fine and be reliable when called upon if maintained properly. Plus it has a good warranty. Peoples priorities lie in different places, and no one is asking you to use the product or trust your life to it.



The Hi-Point is not designed or intended to be used by LE/Military. You are comparing two different things. If you only judge a product based on if these groups are using it, I think you need to re-adjust the glasses you are looking through.


Another point is that we in Canada have little to no first hand experience with this line of guns and are just talking out our asses.......especially me:D
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You're probably right, for those who shoot very rarely, a cheap firearm may do the trick. Personally if I can't trust my life to the firearm, I won't buy it. I don't see the benefit of buying a low dollar piece of gear even if you only get out a couple times a year. The headaches of a non functioning firearm or a damaged firearm on one of your few trips to the range seems to offset its low cost to me. Warranties are only as good as the paper they're written on. I'm not sure anyone enjoys waiting for their gear to be returned after its failed them.

TDC
 
On what information are you basing your opinion that they will fail. Given a low rds count I bet they would not fail. But I have no first hand experience, do you?
 
I've handled a few, but not shot them. Based on the review in "Gun tests" as well as several other online opinions, they won't last. As I mentioned earlier, for those who can't make it to the range very often. The Hi Point lineup might do the job. If you were intent on carrying one for protection, you're playing with fire.

TDC
 
Since the "all-knowing" techs miscatagorized it, if its designation changes I'd buy one just cuz. Its longterm reliability? Who cares? Most black rifles we have are OVER engineered for casual range use anyhow.
 
Deckard,

Reliability whether it be long term or short is of great concern. No one buys broken gear, atleast not intentionally. Any of the true black rifles were designed for fighting. If it can't handle range use, it won't be any good as a defensive tool. Seeing as how the Hi Point lineup wasn't designed for fighting, I wouldn't take my chances using it defensively or as a plinker. The potential for failure(s) is significantly higher than with other systems of greater pedigree.

For a rifle chambered in .223, why purchase something with little track record. Why not run a CZ/VZ 8/58 and run surplus ammo. With the current costs of .223 the advantage of a cheap rifle to run it are no longer viable.

TDC
 
Well they aren't combat guns, they're "Get F out of my house, Mo-Fo!!!" guns. The people who buy them probably won't ever get to a range.

So that being said, the people on here who like to buy $2000 Tacti-cool "Evil Assault rifles" and bullpups to "Piss off a Lieberal" should enjoy importing a Hi-Point pistol (The restricted ones anyhow) as really, they have no "sporting" use, as marketed. At least the Tacti-cool guns get used in IPSC, Service, etc. matches. I'm not even sure anyone MAKES a holster for a Hi-Point...

Group buy...???
 
TDC said:
Deckard,



For a rifle chambered in .223, why purchase something with little track record. Why not run a CZ/VZ 8/58 and run surplus ammo. With the current costs of .223 the advantage of a cheap rifle to run it are no longer viable.

TDC
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I don't believe the HI-POINT CARBINE is chambered in .223, only pistol calibers, .40 with a 17 1/2 inch barrel and 9mm with a 16 1/2 in barrel. So even if they ever did come into Canada they would be restricted.
 
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I don't believe the HI-POINT CARBINE is chambered in .223, only pistol calibers, .40 with a 17 1/2 inch barrel and 9mm with a 16 1/2 in barrel. So even if they ever did come into Canada they would be restricted.
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My apologies, I was picturing the SU16 from Kel Tec.:redface:

TDC
 
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