High power scopes?

I have a Leupold 4x12x40mm and I really don't like it. I have found the 3x9x40 , 2.5x8x36mm, 2x7x33mm (Leupolds) or a 2.5x10x42mm (Bushnell) are better for my style of hunting. I like getting in close and they have all I need if I have to reach out. Longest deer was 440 yds. Most are inside 100 yds. Just my 2 cents :D
 
LOL, lots advice on getting stuck. Driving until you get stuck is kind of stupid, really. Because once you are stuck 4wd isn't always going to get you unstuck if you're in 4wd territory. The best thing to do, once you have some 4x4 experience is to look at a situation and using your knowledge and experience decide if it's do-able or not BEFORE you get stuck. But of course you need to have that experience thing for that to work. :)
 
Slamfire said:
The Bushnell Legend Ultra HD 1.75-5x32mm is another decent compact scope...
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Hitzy said:
I'm curious how it holds up on that 375. Chinese scopes and recoil don't seem to get along... I just killed a 4.5-14x44 Legend on a 7mm mag Vanguard which isn't a heavy recoil gun.
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Slamfire said:
Yes I was a bit worried about that but so far so good...
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Upon further consideration, I like the more than adequate magnification range Bushnell 1.75-5x but l didn't like placing the front ring mount more rearward than recommended to mount it because the grip is marginal past the dovetail mid point. Decided to install a Leupold FX-II Ultralight 2.5x20mm instead. No mounting issues.

Good clarity and brightness with ample eye relief. I like the compactness and light weight of this robust little scope. Adequate for up close out to 300+ meters.

My hunting load is the 300gr Accubond at about 2350 fps. Check out the group at 200 meters off the benchrest.

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jethunter said:
LOL, lots advice on getting stuck. Driving until you get stuck is kind of stupid, really. Because once you are stuck 4wd isn't always going to get you unstuck if you're in 4wd territory. The best thing to do, once you have some 4x4 experience is to look at a situation and using your knowledge and experience decide if it's do-able or not BEFORE you get stuck. But of course you need to have that experience thing for that to work. :)
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Ive got stuck many times in 2wd that switching to 4wd gets you out of. Obviously if its really bad and you are in a mud pit up to the rockers then 4wd wont be enough but being smart enough not to drive into those situations is key, especially if you are alone.

Lockers also help alot if its really bad.
 
One hell of a long thread.

Lots of bashing going on which is a shame. Everybody has their own way to hunt that suits them.

I hunt in Ontario and have several shots in excess of 350 yards for deer across farmers fields. Also have one that is 460 yards and the other is 720 yards. Every time the farmer knocks down another fence row the length of the field dramatically increases.

We have so many coyotes in our area I have taken to higher mag scopes. 4-16 elite 4500 is what I use as well as 3-9 3200, 3500 etc. If I am in a close range area, 4X works just fine. If the deer walks out at 300 yards, 10 or 12 works really well. If a dam yote walks out, 16 is the ticket.

I don't notice the weight as my main deer gun weighs close to 12 pounds without glass. If I had to hunt where I was walking over mountains all day long I'd use a different gun. Most I've carried it in a day was just shy of 8 km. That was enough for me.

My two cents, your mileage may vary.
 
jethunter said:
When did Superbad get appointed CGN's official suck-declarer? He may well be qualified, but is it really "official" or is just an honorary title? :)
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No title involved...... I was simply writing a well thought out "opinion piece"..... :)

I have changed my post to reflect this and will publish an editorial retraction if necessary.... lol
 
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BeaverMeat said:
Ok. 4-12x isn't really a "high power" scope. I guess what I'm asking is why people sacrifice the low end for the high end?

The large objective is a plus. A 3-9x50 is a good low light scope... my only angst toward a large objective is the weight up front. Anything past a 36mm objective throws the balance off and reduces "pointabilty".
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4x isn't really a low end sacrifice. 12x may be a little more than most people want or need but if it aids in shot placement then that's not a bad thing. I agree that overly large objectives make carry and handling less than ideal but in most circumstances you have more than one rifle. if I was concerned about "pointability" I would use one of my low-powered variables or my 2.5x Leupold. If I wanted more scope for open country then a little more bulk wouldn't be the end of the world to me.
 
I love these threads. Why is your preference better then my preference. Well my preference is better because I prefer it.

People it's a preference!!!!!! There is no right and no wrong. Some guys shoot 1000 yards in match shooting with iron sights. Some guys use 12x zoom at 80 yards. Depends on your "preference".

I prefer high power. I don't want to see the animals entire body. I like to zoom right in and see my small target. Aim small, miss small. Some guys just see the deer and they squeeze. I like to take my time and spot the hair that I am aiming at. Again that's just my preference. My smallest scope is a 4x12 and I have used it on running coyotes at 60 yards. And have used it on extreme long range shots on black bear.
 
Preference plays a part. Compromise pays a part. Specialization plays a part, as does versatility. Experience plays a part. Location plays a part. Hunting technique, even within the same area plays a part. Eye sight, including night vision varies. Price is a factor too, if your optics are good enough it can go a long ways to closing gaps and blurring boundaries.

If someone has been around for awhile and has tried his share of optics under different scenarios I'm apt to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
Superbrad said:
No title involved...... I was simply writing a well thought out "opinion piece"..... :)

I have changed my post to reflect this and will publish an editorial retraction if necessary.... lol
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You could well be an expert on "suck" but we'd need to see your credentials before deciding on the relevance or lack-thereof in your stated opinion. :) b
 
Rifter said:
The best advice i was ever given about driving off road was to keep it in 2 wheel drive till you get stuck, then try and get out in 4 wheel drive and you will likely be ok. If you start off in 4 wheel and get stuck you are screwed.
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One must be careful to drive only in 2WD, as many times a 4x4 vehicle will get stuck and not be able to move the required distance it takes to allow the transfer case to engage four wheel drive thereby leaving you stuck in 2WD.

The best advice for driving in the back country is to travel with at least one other 4x4 vehicle. If that's not possible then having a winch and the recovery gear to use it correctly is next best. This is coming from a 10 year Jeep Jamboree Trail Guide with 30 years of avid four wheeling experience.


Wow, this thread has been more entertaining then I thought it would be. Although it's a little sad we can't get along a little better and learn from each other versus putting down one another for nothing more then a difference of opinion.

Old, less flexible eyes are one reason why more magnification may be needed for some shooters/hunters. Then again better quality glass can be another reason why higher magnification scopes may not seem necessary for some, while others operating lower quality glass may believe it's necessary since premium optics are better (especially in low light conditions) and require less power for similar results.

Ultimately we must try to understand that what is ideal for one person may not be for another. And that respecting each others experiences is important if we are to gain a greater understanding from the accumulation of all the combined knowledge.

It won't make the thread as interesting, but will offer up better information on the subject...


Oh yeah, my .02; buy the best glass you can afford with a good variable magnification (1-4x, 3-9x, 4-12x...) for the range to be expected, but with the knowledge that it's difficult to use much more then 12x + power from a shouldered (free hand) position.

Cheers D
 
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