High Standard Supermatic Tournament PROBLEMS

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I got this used pistol from the store in BC, after a lengthy delay for transfer papers due to Ontario CFO being backlogged.

Well, today I took it to the range, and it is a dud!!! :mad:

Load the magazine, rack the slide, click- BOOM, second- trigger is dead, round is in the chamber but nothing is happening. :confused:

Emptied magazine, checked everything... looks fine... let's go at it again...

First one- BOOM, second one- again trigger is dead and round is in, but it is acting as previously. :eek:

Now, I am thinking it is a nice pistol, and I did not overpay for it, if it is simple fix- that is what I should do.

But, at this point I don't have a clue what could be wrong with it, and I am going away this weekend, so no time to go to gunsmith and find out.

By the time I am back, returning the firearm might become more difficult.

Timing is everything, and things are aligning themselves nicely...

I should add that I tried two different kinds of ammo, CCI Minimags, and Winchester X with same results.

Your opinion as what could be wrong? :welcome:
 
Looks like the recoil action is not cocking the trigger. Manually racking the slide works. I'm not familiar with the mechanics of this pistol so can't make an intelligent suggestion. Something could be binding. Maybe a good cleaning and oiling? A good spray of Gunk-Off on the working parts?
 
I don't have a HS Supermatic, but perhaps the recoil spring is incorrect or damaged and it will not allow the slide to reach the point where it allows the trigger to be reset by the fired round?

Manually racking the slide seems to indicate the trigger and feed mechanism is functional. And you're probably pulling the slide all the way back. Maybe try racking the slide back by hand and seeing if you feel any resistance towards the end of the travel? You should be able to feel or hear the trigger reset.

As always, make sure there's no live ammo in the chamber or mag. Use snap caps or fired rounds to be safe.
 
What did the firing pin impression on the fired and unfired cases look like?
Was it the same?
Was there a normal firing pin impression - or any firing pin impression - on the unfired case?
Was the unfired case's firing pin impression lighter?

If there was a light impression, cleaning may help.

If there was no impression, your sear might be the issue, and you might need to send your pistol to a competent pistolsmith.
 
Wendell said:
What did the firing pin impression on the fired and unfired cases look like?
Was it the same?
Was there a normal firing pin impression - or any firing pin impression - on the unfired case?
Was the unfired case's firing pin impression lighter?

If there was a light impression, cleaning may help.

If there was no impression, your sear might be the issue, and you might need to send your pistol to a competent pistolsmith.
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Nope, no impression, as second time there is no trigger action at all. Trigger just stays dead.

Round goes into a chamber and nothing happens.

When I rack the slide, round properly ejects and next round fires normally.

After that, same thing again, third round is in the chamber and trigger does not work.

Rack it again, round gets properly ejected, next round gets in the chamber and gun fires. :confused:
 
Mightymouse said:
I don't have a HS Supermatic, but perhaps the recoil spring is incorrect or damaged and it will not allow the slide to reach the point where it allows the trigger to be reset by the fired round?

Manually racking the slide seems to indicate the trigger and feed mechanism is functional. And you're probably pulling the slide all the way back. Maybe try racking the slide back by hand and seeing if you feel any resistance towards the end of the travel? You should be able to feel or hear the trigger reset.

As always, make sure there's no live ammo in the chamber or mag. Use snap caps or fired rounds to be safe.
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I pulled the slide all the way in order to eject the round.
Haven't tried to pull it half way to see what would that do.
 
is the hammer cocked after the first fire, but the trigger just wont work? (slide resistance should be enough to tell you)

i bought a used HS victor earlier in the year (from BC, hmm ;))... similar problem

fire once, may not fire again, sometimes would though. i found if i 'shook' it, i could get it to fire. Basically the hammer was cocking, but the trigger wasnt pulling properly.

after closer inspection noticed the sear bar wasn't making contact with the sear, it was falling below it sometimes after rounds were fired - there was a little wiggle room.

.... after looking at a schematic i noticed the sear bar spring was in upside down (purchased that way), leaving that wiggle room.

flipped it around - problem solved. Fires flawlessly now.
 
Is the slide all the way ahead,for the second shot?
If not , as stated above, the sear will not be pulled
because of the disconnector.
There is a small vee shaped flat spring in there.
If the hammer is not cocking, check the slide and rails,
and oil /lube it, also check the slide spring, it may be twisted
or bent.
I have those if required.
These guns as a rule are very trouble free.
Marshall
 
The first question is, is the gun cocked after the first shot? If it's not cocked, thats the problem you need to chase. If it is, then you need to chase why the trigger isn't acting. I would pull her down and do a detail strip and clean. I've never had an issue with mine, hope you have good luck with yours. Be aware they do have a few little tiny springs to be careful with.
 
I have a High Standard Supermatic Citation. I find them to be very good quality firearms. If your gun cocks the hammer when you manually rack the slide, I'd be looking at the type of ammo you are using or your recoil spring as was previously mentioned. Is the ammo low velocity target ammo? What is the brand, I'd be curious to know.
 
I have the High Standard Trophy and I have had the same problem where the trigger simply locks on me but only rarely. Believe it or not, all I do is keep it pointed down range and wait 15 seconds roughly and then it fires just fine. Go figure. I don't usually have a problem emptying the whole magazine rapid fire. I just use inexpensive 38gr. ammo.
 
Fires on its own... without you pulling a trigger again? :eek:

Denn0001 said:
I have the High Standard Trophy and I have had the same problem where the trigger simply locks on me but only rarely. Believe it or not, all I do is keep it pointed down range and wait 15 seconds roughly and then it fires just fine. Go figure. I don't usually have a problem emptying the whole magazine rapid fire. I just use inexpensive 38gr. ammo.
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You guys are fantastic!

Lots of great informations in such a short period of time!

Gun is back with gunsmith and it appears to be recoil spring, with possible sear issues...

Since bore is not as good as advertised, chances are this baby is going back for refund, or towards another new firearm.

Store manager is acting very responsibly and professionally so far.

Update follows.
 
Check the trigger link , under the plate on the side of frame, it may be sticking, also be check that flat spring on the link.
If the bar does not rise up from spring pressure after the slide is ahead,
the trigger is still disconnected.
That spring should have a flat v shape to it.
it is easy to put in wrong and will go AWOL if not carefull.
same with the wee bitty spring on the hold open leaver.
Hope up make out O.K.
 
After careful re-evaluation of a problem + bore that is in unsatisfactory state, this High Standard is going back and being exchanged for S&W model 41 or Browning Medalist, both of which are collector grade, with some more money added.

However, I really liked HS and will purchase another one of the same, soon as I find one in mint condition.

Thanks to everyone that helped with very informative posts.
 
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