High value 'double barrel rifle'?
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blasted_saber
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"High value" is more then 700-1000 dollars in the gun world.
Besides a Baikal, I would say no. Could be/probably wrong though.
Besides a Baikal, I would say no. Could be/probably wrong though.
Side by side vs over/under is everything. You won't find a decent sxs anywhere near your price range. There are several over unders you can find in or near your price range. Brno and tikka are a couple of the more common ones you see.
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BigUglyMan
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Respectfully, you don't understand because you don't have a clue what goes into building a double rifle. It's not as simple as 2 barrels = twice the price. Two independant rifles, with independant locks and barrels made in one piece and made to shoot to the same point of impact. The $7500 you have to shell out for an entry-level Merkel or $6K for a Chapuis or $7K for a Verney-Carron represent tremendous value in the double rifle market. The O/U doubles can be had even more affordably with the Verney-Carron starting around $3300 from our friends at Tradeex.
The bottom line is that double rifles are not inexpensive. Ruger tried and failed. If the masters of investment casting and CNC machining can't make it work in a production line setting then it cannot be done.
If you want an even starker example of the difference in cost between a bolt and double, look no further than the kind gents at Rigby or Holland and Holland. Bolt rifle for the price of a loaded one-ton diesel, doubles for the price of a house. They're that much harder to make well.
Caveat emptor.
Double rifles require much more hand work of a specialized nature that raises the price much more than a CNC made bolt gun. The regulation alone of a double gun could require many hours of skilled work to get right.
You need to do more reading my friend. A nice Merkel will set you back $8000,A good rep of a sxs in a purdy or h.h will set you back 25 grand.In the real world of double rifles,a double in the range of $1000.00 or so doesnt exist.( cept for the Baikal line of rifles,but you will get a 45-70 and not one of the grand ol hunting calibres)Fit,finish and quality come at a extreme price.If there was a surplus of .470 NE rifles in a double everyone in here would have one.There is a nice Merkel for sale right now in the EE. Its $7900.00....it would get you by,or think of it this way...call it a RRSP...Rifle retirement saving plan.By the time you retire you own the rifle!!!
I am not a huge Ruger fan, I have owned some their rifles and own some of their handguns. They do build a good mid-range quality product. One thing they do have down pat is production, and if they couldn’t do it for a reasonable price I don’t think anyone can. Baikal tries to do and I have heard some people do get a good shooter but most don’t. I imagine they can at least enter the market because their operating costs are lower than North American companies. As most are saying you are going to need to spend some dough to get a good double firearm and you won’t regret it.
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BUM nailed it. Then when you consider that turn of the Century British double rifles carry a premium, a rifle like this John Wilkes .500 NE:
can come at the cost of a new pick-up.
But given my personality and life experience, I wouldn't trade a Brno 602 or a Winchester M-70 for a double that I had to hunt with. The double just doesn't do it for me; its too bad, I really wanted to be an enthusiast. The end product is an amazing mix of craftsmanship and art; but where I expected a wand, I got a club! The club allowed me to kill a buff, but I was far more impressed with the cartridge than the rifle.
Given that this was a fairly high end rifle, trust me, a thousand bucks will buy you a much better bolt gun than it will a double, regardless of how the barrels are positioned.
can come at the cost of a new pick-up.
But given my personality and life experience, I wouldn't trade a Brno 602 or a Winchester M-70 for a double that I had to hunt with. The double just doesn't do it for me; its too bad, I really wanted to be an enthusiast. The end product is an amazing mix of craftsmanship and art; but where I expected a wand, I got a club! The club allowed me to kill a buff, but I was far more impressed with the cartridge than the rifle.
Given that this was a fairly high end rifle, trust me, a thousand bucks will buy you a much better bolt gun than it will a double, regardless of how the barrels are positioned.
I used a Verney Caron last year that was anything but a club, though logic forces me to admit that the 13 thousand dollar rifle was a handicap, not an advantage. Trouble was, everytime I put it down it would draw me back in like a fish on a line. Eventually it wore me down.
blasted_saber
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Yes, but again you're looking at several thousand. Same principals apply as essentially a rifle.
blasted_saber
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http://www.connecticutshotgun.com/rblpro.html
as well as a couple others. I thnk I was reading about a Verney-Carron dbl shotgun as well.
as well as a couple others. I thnk I was reading about a Verney-Carron dbl shotgun as well.
Why do I want a SXS double rifle? Bit of nostalgia, bit of history, bit of a challemge. Always liked SXS double shotguns. Will they shoot like a single barrelled gun, nope. Maybe off one barrel, it could be setup to do that, defeats the purpose though. They were setup to be short range, fast handling, bigbore guns originally, 130 yrs ago. Single barrelled guns are getting boring for me, had enough of them, that I've worked my way through the hype (so to speak) of the uberpowerful, knock'em DRT at 500yards and shoot a .25 group out there phase. I like spot and stalk hunting, seeing how close I can get, like bowhunting. Still not willing to give up a 200yd opp if that is all I have though. And a double can do that.
As to the price of them, they are what they are, labour isn't cheap, be it building a custom car, boat or house. Heck, I spent 5000.00 dressing up my truck, and lost that value driving it off the lot, and more.. Modern tooling has helped get the price down, but, the regulation process is what it is, some have tried "cheaper" methods, and failed badly, so far. And the gun will hold its price better than the truck ever will.
The fact that it has the two SXS barrels is the cause of that, can't get away from it. I can spend just as much on a bolt gun, get one a lot more nicely dressed than a SXS for less money, but it's a bolt gun, that just doesn't turn my crank anymore. The double is another learning process, and some fun to be had, doing something I like doing, in a different fashion.
As to the price of them, they are what they are, labour isn't cheap, be it building a custom car, boat or house. Heck, I spent 5000.00 dressing up my truck, and lost that value driving it off the lot, and more.. Modern tooling has helped get the price down, but, the regulation process is what it is, some have tried "cheaper" methods, and failed badly, so far. And the gun will hold its price better than the truck ever will.
The fact that it has the two SXS barrels is the cause of that, can't get away from it. I can spend just as much on a bolt gun, get one a lot more nicely dressed than a SXS for less money, but it's a bolt gun, that just doesn't turn my crank anymore. The double is another learning process, and some fun to be had, doing something I like doing, in a different fashion.
