HiPower to be Replaced by Sig 320

CaseyK said:
What do you mean by polymer guide? The follower? It's not broken per se, but I dropped it on plywood and the follower somehow popped over the top edge of the magazine
I was balming the mag and the rounds were loose after a handful, I inspected and the follower was stuck at the bottom of the mag so I shook the rounds loose, tapped it on my palm several times and it didnt come free
I think the follower was caught on the 10/17 crimp, and when it came loose somehow this happened lol
For perspective I have literally yeeted glock mags 50 feet across the range and such before, dropped them on hard surfaces hundreds of times etc (along with most of my other mags)
This is a 75$-100$ magazine that should be able to withstand something as simple as being loaded or dropped lol . I have never had any issues with pistol magazines ever.. except for ancient BHP service mags
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To end your agony, I'll buy your Sig for 25% of retail given it is used and broken. How many mags have you got. If more than two, I'll take them off your hands for $10 each as they likely will break as well. I don't need another pistol but just trying to help ya out.

Take Care

Bob
 
CaseyK said:
What do you mean by polymer guide? The follower? It's not broken per se, but I dropped it on plywood and the follower somehow popped over the top edge of the magazine
I was balming the mag and the rounds were loose after a handful, I inspected and the follower was stuck at the bottom of the mag so I shook the rounds loose, tapped it on my palm several times and it didnt come free
I think the follower was caught on the 10/17 crimp, and when it came loose somehow this happened lol
For perspective I have literally yeeted glock mags 50 feet across the range and such before, dropped them on hard surfaces hundreds of times etc (along with most of my other mags)
This is a 75$-100$ magazine that should be able to withstand something as simple as being loaded or dropped lol . I have never had any issues with pistol magazines ever.. except for ancient BHP service mags
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Metal mags bend when dropped even on grass and sand. Polymer mags are much more tolerant to being dropped up until the point the polymer degrades (which could be 5-1000 years).
 
CaseyK said:
What do you mean by polymer guide? The follower? It's not broken per se, but I dropped it on plywood and the follower somehow popped over the top edge of the magazine
I was balming the mag and the rounds were loose after a handful, I inspected and the follower was stuck at the bottom of the mag so I shook the rounds loose, tapped it on my palm several times and it didnt come free
I think the follower was caught on the 10/17 crimp, and when it came loose somehow this happened lol
For perspective I have literally yeeted glock mags 50 feet across the range and such before, dropped them on hard surfaces hundreds of times etc (along with most of my other mags)
This is a 75$-100$ magazine that should be able to withstand something as simple as being loaded or dropped lol . I have never had any issues with pistol magazines ever.. except for ancient BHP service mags
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Well I guess the CF's mags aren't going to be crimped so problem solved
 
Nothing is bent though. simply the shock was enough to jostle up the follower and somehow it had enough tension in the right way to pop itself out over the mag lips which like I said I've never seen happen. I have abused the F out of my 226 and shadow mags.

Speculating the crimp is even what caused the malfunction but I cant think of anything else. I stripped the mag and wasn't super impressed by the fitment of the spring on the polymer follower and base plate above the Henning group extension.

Definitely an argument and justification for anti tilt followers IMO. I wonder if the M17 style mags are different. hard to justify the mag cost for sure. Otherwise pistols not bad so far, outshoots me. I have the flat trigger pack. I find if you reset slowly there's a sort of scrunchy striker feeling false reset. Feels like the reset/a wall but it's not. The actual reset is nice but the creep on the reset is kinda weird. Gonna have to shoot it more to break in see how it smooths out. Trying to source some accessories like grips and mag funnels and the grip weight but I can't find any dealers in Canada with stock.
 
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CaseyK said:
except for ancient BHP service mags
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That was the thing about the British Army BHP, abused mags and worn sears. I once opened up a metal box full of partly new-looking BHPs and mags rusted to the inside of the box. This was in a Security company which was supposed to enforce monthly checks.
So something mechanically new with polymer mags would be a step up until they get abused beyond usefulness.
 
Juster said:
That was the thing about the British Army BHP, abused mags and worn sears. I once opened up a metal box full of partly new-looking BHPs and mags rusted to the inside of the box. This was in a Security company which was supposed to enforce monthly checks.
So something mechanically new with polymer mags would be a step up until they get abused beyond usefulness.
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I havent had any issues with metal mags before so, generally solid and aesthetic but polymer is probably more durable long term easier maintenance . sig should make polymer 320 mags
and yeah honestly not having anti tilt followers is bunk. these mags are old hat honestly theyre nice and servicable but they could be better and there are so many different models its annoying you cant use the xfive mags in the m17 style etc
 
Saskmadeguy said:
Metal mags bend when dropped even on grass and sand. Polymer mags are much more tolerant to being dropped up until the point the polymer degrades (which could be 5-1000 years).
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Man you got some tough grass out there where the
wind blows. Quite the statement even for a Glock groupy.


Take Care

Bob
Ps Every other company I uses metal mag lips. Might be a trend there, just saying.
 
I can’t help but think back to how happy we were when the “Thermold” plastic C7 magazines finally got tossed in favour of metal magazines. Funny how times change.
 
Let's just settle it. I did not own a firearm until last year, in protest of the useless laws. One handgun I bought is the manual safety m17. I have shot probably 50 rounds through it. So it's tested!!!!! ;)

Also have the air gun version! ;)
 
beltfed said:
I can say the same, but that is the reasons I would have went with Glock.

Personally, I think that while a user configurable grip is a good idea, the whole modularity thing with the frame is a red herring.
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I found the Glock had a steeper learning curve to master. It's got a completely different grip angle and the trigger is so bad, it promotes bad habits that prompt tensing the dominant hand grip and pushing the gun off target. If Glock fixed their god awful trigger it'd be a better gun. I just don't feel it's a great gun for complete rookies to start on, YMMV of course.
 
cancer said:
I found the Glock had a steeper learning curve to master. It's got a completely different grip angle and the trigger is so bad, it promotes bad habits that prompt tensing the dominant hand grip and pushing the gun off target. If Glock fixed their god awful trigger it'd be a better gun. I just don't feel it's a great gun for complete rookies to start on, YMMV of course.
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Agreed. I can pick up my Glock comfortably in the hands, then close me eyes and press it forward, and when I open me eyes the front sight is always substantially higher than the rear, requiring me to #### my wrist to bring it into alignment. Neither my 226 or my 320 have this issue (maybe the 320 TXG grip to some extent, but AXG is perfect).
 
cancer said:
I found the Glock had a steeper learning curve to master. It's got a completely different grip angle and the trigger is so bad, it promotes bad habits that prompt tensing the dominant hand grip and pushing the gun off target.
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I'd say bad habits can and do exist with new shooters regardless of platform; a better trigger will likely just mask the shooter's deficiencies more so.
The antidote is better, and more frequent training, not 'better' triggers.

I'm of the opinion that the Glock's grip angle was purposely built to aid with wrist locking and mitigates limp-wristing; a phenomenon that rookies and people that get limited range time on their service pistols excel at. A bigger problem than dropping shots due to anticipating.
 
cancer said:
I found the Glock had a steeper learning curve to master. It's got a completely different grip angle and the trigger is so bad, it promotes bad habits that prompt tensing the dominant hand grip and pushing the gun off target. If Glock fixed their god awful trigger it'd be a better gun. I just don't feel it's a great gun for complete rookies to start on, YMMV of course.
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Yes, but how much time did you spend shooting a more conventional grip angle before moving to a Glock? Do you think if you had never shot a handgun and a Glock was your first exposure you’d have such an opinion? I don’t know the exact number but I’d be shocked if more than 10% of CAF members shot a handgun before joining.

I disagree with your assessment of the trigger, at least for Gen5 Glock variants. I personally feel the Glock trigger is superior to the mushiness of the P320. The P320 is smoother, but very vague. Again, for a new shooter I’m not sure which is preferable.
 
armybuck041 said:
Agreed. I can pick up my Glock comfortably in the hands, then close me eyes and press it forward, and when I open me eyes the front sight is always substantially higher than the rear, requiring me to #### my wrist to bring it into alignment. Neither my 226 or my 320 have this issue (maybe the 320 TXG grip to some extent, but AXG is perfect).
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That’s a training issue. If you had extensive experience/training with Glocks and then went to the P320 you’d have the opposite problem.
 
TT1900 said:
That’s a training issue. If you had extensive experience/training with Glocks and then went to the P320 you’d have the opposite problem.
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How many other mainstream pistols have the same grip angle as a Glock?

Not trying to be cheeky here, but I can’t think of any other pistol that I’ve fired that exhibits the same natural misalignment in my hands due to the grip angle, as the Glock. I’m not “limp wristing it” either :) So many responses about Glocks go along the lines of “you need to adapt to the gun”.
HiPo, 1911s, M&P, Sigs… none of them require me to mentally “un####” my grip. Is it training, I guess it comes down to what I’m used to, to some extent. As an aside, my only Glock is going to my wife, as she has zero time on a pistol, so as stated, she is untainted. It’ll be interesting to see how she handles it.

There were tons of anecdotes back in the early 90s gun rags about cops shooting over the heads of perps not long after the pistol went mainstream with law enforcement. Grip angle was considered the issue at that time, as most of these guys were coming from revolvers or 1911s.
 
Most new LE recrutes have little to no experience firing a pistol and for the most part Glock is their first exposure. They are all able to successfully learn to shoot a Glock. Blaming things like trigger and grip angle are just excuses for not putting in the effort to learn the platform.
 
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