HK 416 report ..............................

Sorry Deckard but dangertree is right, while it is sold by a company that used to call itself Pakistany Ordenance Factory, that was only when they sold pakistani made H&K parts. There new AR venture is solely american as my understanding goes, which is also why they changed there name.
 
POF-USA, INC. is the US distributor for Pakistan Ordnance Factories according to their website. The Patriot company was formerly called Pakistan Ordnance Factory USA, so would you blame them for changing the name to Patriot? It doesn't change the origin of the parts though. And yes, by now some if not all uppers are made in the USA. Does that mean none exist in Pakistan?
 
Picked this up from the "other" website. 416 in Iraq?
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Deckard, You're confusing two products, POF-USA does not manufacture the HK rifles.

Pakistan Ordinance Factory manufactures HK rifles for the Pak army.

Patriot Ordanance Factory, POF-USA manufactures gas-pistol AR-15 type rifles in the USA, with top grade American made components. Including fluted Rock Creek 4150 1/7 and 1/8 barrels, depending on purpose, noveske brakes, etc. Some of their internals are CMT. They have nickel lined receivers. They are not in any way manufactured in Pakistan.

Pakistan Ordinance Factories, has been a Pak state enterprise, since 1951. They have been been building HK G3 and MP5s on HK tooling since the mid 90's (earlier?). If they weren't prohibs here, I'm sure they'd be selling fine.

POF-USA is the importer/distributor for Pak Ord Factory HK Rifles and Sub-guns in the USA.
POF-USA is the manufacturer of the 415/416 Upper and Rifle.
They are a privately owned US company, not a wing of the Pak state arsenal.
 
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Dangertree -- I have bough gear off Frank (POF-USA) back when he was Pakistan Ordnance USA. It is a USA co. but it has a fair bit of dealings with POF (Pakistan)

POF is doing a scumbag job (IMHO) of copying the 416 from HK 416
 
KevinB said:
Dangertree -- I have bough gear off Frank (POF-USA) back when he was Pakistan Ordnance USA. It is a USA co. but it has a fair bit of dealings with POF (Pakistan)
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No arguement there.

POF is doing a scumbag job (IMHO) of copying the 416 from HK 416
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I don't know enough about the HK vs POF system to comment on that, but I'll take your word for it. I agree with you on using the 416 name.

The only reason I jumped into this thread was to correct the post saying that the POF 416 is made in Pakistan.
 
Roger that.

I will likely still talk to you when I come to Canada to visit the GF and parents this summer about getting one - since HK is not looking like a supplier anytime soon.
 
H&K sued by the US?

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FWIW --- IF HK does open their plant in the US - they will be selling to civilians and LE's.

Secondly I have heard backchannel from some of the US Delta/AWG guys that the 416 rocks -- I dont doubt it.


My only point was I found it cute that he had it on his website -- Honestly I would have prefer a very down and detailed article by Mr. Vickers himself on the weapon - but even this one was way better than the HK stooge that did the one in Small Arms Review
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These look like AR's but inside they are not, more like a HK91-93. Buddy of mine saw one of these in Kandahar handled by a Private Security Contactor.
Said that H&K was being sued by someone in the US for copyrights etc for the M16 copy...
Anybody know if this is true?
SG

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Airborn_69 said:
These look like AR's but inside they are not, more like a HK91-93. Buddy of mine saw one of these in Kandahar handled by a Private Security Contactor.
Said that H&K was being sued by someone in the US for copyrights etc for the M16 copy...
Anybody know if this is true?
SG
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Not even close. They are piston operated M16s. HK91-93 are not even gas operated.
 
An earlier version - but the guts still work the same
(the second gen has a taller upper receiver to better fit the gas system and of course the rail.

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Airborn_69 said:
These look like AR's but inside they are not, more like a HK91-93. Buddy of mine saw one of these in Kandahar handled by a Private Security Contactor.
Said that H&K was being sued by someone in the US for copyrights etc for the M16 copy...
Anybody know if this is true?
SG
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Colt sued HK and lost. It was a clever marketing move by Colt, although many people suspect that they knew that they had zippo chance of winning - the M16 patent has long expired. However it disrupted HK production and marketing of the 416 to some extent, and so I guess that is that.

Since HK Germany cannot sell to civilians it is pretty much a moot point anywway, but I have heard that they are outstanding.
 
If HK wanted to make extra $$ they can subcontract some HK416 to a 3rd party company and then sell to civies ;) Thanks for the pics Kevin. I really want one now :(
 
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