HK G36k

84wh1 said:
I think that would be attributed to either a bad bubba build, or a fudd that doesnt know how to properly lube an AR15. A quality AR will will run like a top when properly lubed and maintained.
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It's possible, but then a G36 will go 24,000 rounds in the Arizona desert with no issues and no lube.
 
greentips said:
My point is not so much about which one is better, it is more about which one can be made available for a reasonable retail price.

Personally I think making a receiver designed for polymer and molding out of aluminum is dumb. The geometry of the receiver is designed for molding everything into a single piece at once, and it was not designed with using an extrusion tube in mind. Making G36 receiver out of an aluminum plate is going to be costly. The way to make a G36 out of AL is called the FN SCAR and HK 433.

I will be happy to see Tommy T36 in Canada . G36 is designed almost 30 years ago, there is no secret sauce with fibre glass embedded polymer anymore.
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I agree

also waiting on the T36

There's 0 reason they should be 14K or 5+ For a frankengun
 
Rich LPS said:
The whole problem is burning through the hundreds of rounds on full-auto like an idiot.....then complaining when the weapon has problems....any combat rifle will have problems at that rate, AR15 FOW usually melts the gas tube at a few hundred rendering the gun totally useless....

No Combat rifle in the world can match the performance of the G36, Brian is correct, 24000 rounds fired, not malfunctions no parts breakage and most importantly no lubing during the test. Often we hear of AR15 FOW's running thousands of rounds without problems....but that is with regular and heavy lubing!

Rich
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I'm pretty sure there's been a few tests with KAC DI rifles that have gone 20,000+ rounds with no cleaning.

I'm not sure why one would go 20,000+ rounds without cleaning, and I know there are a lot of boners here for HK's on CGN, but there's a lot more to a weapon system then how long a rifle can go without cleaning and lube before a malfunction pops up.

A well thought out DI ar15 (such as a KAC) is going to be pretty comparable in robustness to a good piston system. Piston is not the be all end all, and it has it's own set of problems.
 
I own a KAC! Awesome rifle, the king of the AR15 FOW's in my opinion, especially some of the older ones that had the Colt Canada Barrels.....(that is a long story).
You are correct there is much more to a system than how long it can go without cleaning and lubing.....but KAC is like all the other AR15 FOW's it will go now where near 20k without lube and the lubing also acts to clean the system.

The DI - Vs - Piston debate is very complicated and invokes strong emotions especially with Americans!

Back on the G36 topic, it goes longer without cleaning and lubing than any other Combat Rifle system.

Rich
 
kthomas said:
I'm pretty sure there's been a few tests with KAC DI rifles that have gone 20,000+ rounds with no cleaning.

I'm not sure why one would go 20,000+ rounds without cleaning, and I know there are a lot of boners here for HK's on CGN, but there's a lot more to a weapon system then how long a rifle can go without cleaning and lube before a malfunction pops up.

A well thought out DI ar15 (such as a KAC) is going to be pretty comparable in robustness to a good piston system. Piston is not the be all end all, and it has it's own set of problems.
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It is not a matter of want to, but in a scenario where that rifle has to work or you are dead, there is no time for cleaning, lube, etc.

I hope to never have to live through a scenario where my families life relies on a rifle working every time/all the time.

I have a friend who lived through such a time in Yugoslavia, the family had one rifle and if it had stopped functioning or had to be taken apart for maintenance or lube, they wouldn't be here today
 
Brian46 said:
It is not a matter of want to, but in a scenario where that rifle has to work or you are dead, there is no time for cleaning, lube, etc.

I hope to never have to live through a scenario where my families life relies on a rifle working every time/all the time.

I have a friend who lived through such a time in Yugoslavia, the family had one rifle and if it had stopped functioning or had to be taken apart for maintenance or lube, they wouldn't be here today
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I think a KAC will get you through pretty much any situation.
 
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