HK MR223 vs. Sig 516 Patrol

HK MR223 vs. Sig 516 Patrol

  • HK MR 223 (incl. A1 variant)

    Votes: 39 66.1%

  • Sig 516 Patrol

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Total voters
    59
blaxsun

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Serious question here... Given a choice between the HK MR223 or Sig 516 Patrol, which would you take? Both have a 16.5" barrel, quad rail and gas piston system. Both are made in Germany. Granted, the HK is more coin - but assuming this didn't make a difference - which would you choose and why?

And yes, I realize there are a ton of other AR15's - but I'm just interested in feedback and impressions on these two. Thanks.
 
Is the sig compatible with all regular ar accessories? If so my choice is made. Everything has to be fitted to the damn mr223.... and it bugs the living **** out of me and is the reason i got rid of mine within 3 weeks on owing it.... just not worth the coin.....
 
It depends on how you want to run it?

1. Recce Gun
2. DMR to the range and back
3. Run and gunning a lot.
4. Speed and quickness
5. Patrol rifle
6. Assaulter type gun.

I think this really depends Blax exactly what specific criteria you want to use this gun for.
You can always go extra light on the MR223 use the short standard rail with a T-1 Aimpoint and a Surefire mini scout light?
Or extended rail with Harris bi pod with whatever scope you want.
Remember the MR223 has a heavy barrel, heavier than the M27 IAR the USMC chose and that means you are extremely accurate and have a barrel that will last forever.
If I were you blaxsun I would get the MR223a1 and get a 416 upper.......LOL
I prefer the KAC lower, after a week of thinking, even if I have to sell some of the other parts the KAC lower is just to perfect for my needs, that being said the ....
The Sig looks great, and it probably performs great, but it looks just like the new IUR from Colt, and the bottom line is "HK parts" although a pain in the ass at times will most probably be more available, especially considering HK416 has a lot of Mil/Leo contracts already signed and delivered.

That being said I would seriously look at the KAC line as well.

Hey you have not owned the SIG yet so you may as well get it because you have practically owned every gun out there in the blackrifle category so far.?
 
I would go with the H&K. I have the MR223 and it's great. You have to hold & shoot one to appreciate the fit and finish. The front hand guard is keyed to fit the reciever, not just set screwed in place. There are LOTS of nice things about the H&K. I have owned other AR's and it's like comparing a chevette to a corvette. That said I have not owned the Sig, but there was a guy with one on a course I took. For the most part it seemed to run OK, and only had 1 stoppage that I can remember, BUT it was a doozie! I am not sure what the correct term for the problem was. It was like a double feed, except it somehow got a live round between the bolt and the top of the reciever. Anyway we had a hell of a time getting it out, and never did figure out why it happened.
 
Assuming you are planning to go high end and nothing under $2899 you might want to consider
KAC SR-15E3 LPR 18" Rifle for $3,100.00 if comparing the MR223.
 
I know some don't think it is a big deal, but I would go with the Sig, as the H&K is not chrome lined. If I could get the H&K Gov't version with chrome lining, then I would get the H&K.
 
I sorta kinda drives me bunkers when the OP clearly states that the two rifles included in his poll are the two that he's looking at, but then different brands and models are thrown in the mix.

That said and my little rant out of the way, the KAC, though very nice rifles, are DI rifles whereas Blaxsun has put up two piston driven ARs. A notable difference in my opinion.
 
Thor said:
I know some don't think it is a big deal, but I would go with the Sig, as the H&K is not chrome lined. If I could get the Gov't version with chrome lining, then I would get the H&K.
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This is fallacy that is constantly regurgitated by the misinformed. HK barrel Steel does not need to be chromed lined on this particular rifle, and really just get the thing nitrated instead, it does come with a light version of that apparently though, that HK will not elaborate on apparently. The quality of the barrel steel is so that it won't rust, trust me I have tested it compared to chrome lined barrel and the HK still came out on top.

No points here.

I think for Blaxsun in the way I know him, weight will be the issue for his "frodo" size frame...

Ben L you are right, I just see these too rifles although both piston might be setup for different things.
 
Leibermuster said:
This is fallacy that is constantly regurgitated by the misinformed. HK barrel Steel does not need to be chromed lined on this particular rifle, and really just get the thing nitrated instead, it does come with a light version of that apparently though, that HK will not elaborate on apparently. The quality of the barrel steel is so that it won't rust, trust me I have tested it compared to chrome lined barrel and the HK still came out on top.

No points here.

I think for Blaxsun in the way I know him, weight will be the issue for his "frodo" size frame...

Ben L you are right, I just see these too rifles although both piston might be setup for different things.
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To each his own, but if the military get's theirs chrome lined, why should I settle for not chromed lined, if it makes a difference to me, and it does.
 
Thor said:
To each his own, but if the military get's theirs chrome lined, why should I settle for not chromed lined, if it makes a difference to me, and it does.
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But how does it make a difference when chrome lining was introduced 50 years ago to protect low grade steel? Why not just get it treated afterwards then it will better than the standard Milspec version anyways.

The military does a lot of things the same way for a lot of reason and many have to do with lazyness.
 
BenL said:
I sorta kinda drives me bunkers when the OP clearly states that the two rifles included in his poll are the two that he's looking at, but then different brands and models are thrown in the mix.
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Yes, because even when it's clear - it's sometimes as clear as mud... ;)

I've owned about a half dozen different AR15's, including KAC, Noveske, LMT, HK - just to name a few. I briefly owned an HK MR223 but never got the opportunity to shoot it. I've yet to handle or get any feedback from anyone on the Sig 516, hence the post.

The Sig 516 seems to be the closest direct comparison to the HK MR223 (for the aforementioned reasons), and it's also been touted as the "HK416 killer". Whether or not the latter claim holds any merit remains to be seen.

Leibermuster said:
I think for Blaxsun in the way I know him, weight will be the issue for his "frodo" size frame...
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Don't forget my hobbit feet. :D

Weight should always be an issue. Simply because we can lift more doesn't necessarily mean we want or have to. There are enough next-generation rails and accessories coming to market to emphasize this point. We all can't be Jolly Green Giants...
 
blaxsun said:
Yes, because even when it's clear - it's sometimes as clear as mud... ;)

I've owned about a half dozen different AR15's, including KAC, Noveske, LMT, HK - just to name a few. I briefly owned an HK MR223 but never got the opportunity to shoot it. I've yet to handle or get any feedback from anyone on the Sig 516, hence the post.

The Sig 516 seems to be the closest direct comparison to the HK MR223 (for the aforementioned reasons), and it's also been touted as the "HK416 killer". Whether or not the latter claim holds any merit remains to be seen.



Don't forget my hobbit feet. :D

Weight should always be an issue. Simply because we can lift more doesn't necessarily mean we want or have to. There are enough next-generation rails and accessories coming to market to emphasize this point. We all can't be Jolly Green Giants...
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Hold on there brother - you had the MR and didn't shoot it?? You and I need to talk!

I have zero experience with both of those rifle. Zip. Zero. Nada. So my helpful contribution ends (well did it even begin?) now.



cough**AdCor**cough
 
Leibermuster said:
But how does it make a difference when chrome lining was introduced 50 years ago to protect low grade steel? Why not just get it treated afterwards then it will better than the standard Milspec version anyways.

The military does a lot of things the same way for a lot of reason and many have to do with lazyness.
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A nitrided barrel would be my pick of the litter!
 
BenL said:
Hold on there brother - you had the MR and didn't shoot it?? You and I need to talk!

I have zero experience with both of those rifle. Zip. Zero. Nada. So my helpful contribution ends (well did it even begin?) now.

cough**AdCor**cough
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I upgraded to a HK416 at the time... Yes, the Adcor is a nice rifle, too. But I don't think it's in the same league as the Sig 516, and certainly not the HK MR223.
 
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