HK MR223s on order for Canada
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I bet you that the bolt on the HK won't chip after the first 40 rounds
The price does seem a bit high, but I think it's the importer rather than the manufacturer who's to blame for it. FN Sports sells the HK45 pistol for about twice of what that gun costs in the U.S. I guess it's that much more expensive to ship a gun from Germany to Canada than from Germany to the US.
My hunch is that FN Sports figured (and not entirely without good reason) that the average cheapass wouldn't buy this gun even if it was $2500 because you can get a DI AR-15 for about a grand less. And they also figured that the guys who really want an Hk416 would be willing to pay over $4000 for it.
Another thing to remember is that while the HK may be overpriced at $4200, you are still getting more bang for the buck than you would with a $3000 garage-assembled, breakage-prone XCR or a plastic Israeli gun named after a gypsy trailer park.
I would argue that. You have two guns that will fire whether they are run through mud, sand or water. That piece of crap AR15 will jam first round after something like that. Plus you can shoot the others anywhere not just at a range so I beg to differ friend the other two you get more bang for the buck because you can shoot them anywhere and through any conditions.
The XCR does not even need sand or mud to jam (and break parts). And while I admit that I don't know much about the Tavor, the picture of a chipped bolt posted by Armedsask certainly does not inspire great confidence in that gun.
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capp325, I've got over 2500 rounds through my xcr now without a single stoppage or failure. quite #####ing about the xcr. I followed the EXPLICIT break in instructions and shoot everything from cheap AE to my more expensive handloads. Accuracy is 1 moa with the crumby trigger.
Post a picture of your XCR and the damage you have suffered. I for one have not seen the problems. Also if you take a look at ROBARMS website and their pictures of their facilities it isn't a garage.
Judging a gun on the FEW results that others have had is just lame. When you read the threads that deal with those particular problems it usualy boils down the operator not knowing the gun or following the instructions.
cheers.
Post a picture of your XCR and the damage you have suffered. I for one have not seen the problems. Also if you take a look at ROBARMS website and their pictures of their facilities it isn't a garage.
Judging a gun on the FEW results that others have had is just lame. When you read the threads that deal with those particular problems it usualy boils down the operator not knowing the gun or following the instructions.
cheers.
yes. they use the m14s and the m14 as a counter sniper rifle. Their m14s are shortened down for CQB. they do have an annoying ugly habit of puting aimpoints on them, but it is more of a punch issue then an accuracy issue. .308 will go through things that .223 will not. their creedo of overwhelming and vicious firepower at times does dictate it's use.
Personally I've put my .308 fmjs and some other "special" bullets through 3/4" steel at 60 yards. never done that with a .223
cheers.
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boohoo. If an extra 2 lbs is too much for you, than it's called a gym. That extra weight is solid steel parts and a gas piston to keep the crap out of were it shouldn't be.
The only reason AR-15's are used in the mlitary is because they are simple and cheap to make.
Gas pistons have been around since before the second world war. The decision to take it is out was purely a cost based one.
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I'll take folded steel over machined aluminum alloy any day of the week. folded sheet metal is only cheap to produce on an AK.
Well first off, the steel is much, much harder. Secondly, the internal rails are both brazed and spot welded to the receiver body. Next, the tolerences on all threads, and holes are kept to very tight tolerances so all parts will fit and function without modification. Threads are also timed so that barrels are easy to install and index. And finally the finish is a very durable epoxy type far superior to any AK finish. Then there are the high wages.
I have no doubt that Swiss Arms rifles are manufactured to a much higher standard than AK-47 and are therefore more expensive to produce. But that's not the point. My comment was about the cost of the mateiral itself (sheet metal).
SA is expensive to manufacture for all the reasons that you've stated but not because it's made of steel instead of aluminum alloy. I really don't think that a Black/Green Special rifle would be any less expensive to produce if it was machined from a solid block of aluminum instead of being welded together from sheet metal. In fact, it would probably cost more.
