HK SL8-4 accuracy and reliability

I think you can find the answers to all your questions is here: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270868

I have owned AR type rifles, the SL8, Swiss arms, etc. if we are talking all orig factory stock rifles of these types, I would take Swiss arms, HK SL8, and finally the AR type rifle in that order. Sure a modded AR with the ammo "It likes" will out perform the HK and even the Swiss, but these rifles can be modded as well to perform as well and even better than the AR..... It comes down to personal preferance more than anything.

Brian,
sure, but don't compare 1500 bucks rifle to 2500. Take factory $2500 AR and then compare to $2500 -HK SL8.
2500 dollars can buy a lot of AR.
What make AR unique is their modular system, with limitless modifications.
No other rifle can do that.
 
Brian,
sure, but don't compare 1500 bucks rifle to 2500. Take factory $2500 AR and then compare to $2500 -HK SL8.
2500 dollars can buy a lot of AR.
What make AR unique is their modular system, with limitless modifications.
No other rifle can do that.

But if you were to reverse the "release date" and "marketing" of both the AR and SL8 platforms, then the lion's share of aftermarket bits for black rifles would be for the SL8 and it would be the one you're referring to as "a unique modular system with limitless modifications".

The only reason the AR 15 is the "Honda Civic" of black rifles is because it's been around for a while and made extremely popular.
 
Brian,
sure, but don't compare 1500 bucks rifle to 2500. Take factory $2500 AR and then compare to $2500 -HK SL8.
2500 dollars can buy a lot of AR.
What make AR unique is their modular system, with limitless modifications.
No other rifle can do that.
It's comparing apples to oranges no matter how you look at it you can't equally compare then because someone will say it wasn't a fair comparison. I have spent lots of money on AR's that I used to own, but it never allowed me to use all types of factory loads like the SL8 would take out of the box (no modifications). That in itself shows you the quality and reliability of the SL8. I have put 1000's of rounds through it without a FTF, FTE, JAM, and/or brake down whatsoever, I can not say the same about the 3 AR type rifles I have owned.
 
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Guys,
I tell you something. I am not someone who knows a lot about Black Rifles, my experience comes from either shooting or handling. And SL8 had really bad trigger.
When I asked why, owner said, that how it is and nothing can be done. Recently I have acquired my first AR rifle, and after very single modifications, I was able to drop a trigger weight down to 4lbs from 10lbs !
Owner of SL8 tried to lower trigger pull using springs from 'mouse trap', not kiddin :)
and it worked for a little bit, but then he started experiencing problems and had to go back to original set up.
Accuracy was great but so it is 2500 dollars AR accuracy with 20" barrel.
In my opinion, SL8 is missing on a lot of customers.

Greetings
 
SL8 together with the HERA stock or the Classic Green.

I am also considering an SL-8 or the swiss arms. I am also considering quotes from different dealers.
I already own a AR but as long as it is restricted not much you can do other than punching paper. AR15 does has lots of accessories since it has been exist for almost 50 years.

Here is what I observed:

SL-8: Price wise is more reasonably priced. I see it sold for around USD 2200 in the states. Up here they are sold for about CAD2300. It is also a moderner design that use polymer instead of metal. As long as it is a sport rifle converted from an assult rifle (G36) reliability should not be an issue, but in addition it get a even better barrel (heavy barrel) and/ or perhaps a better trigger, in this case. Also tones of aftermarket parts. (Stocks, forearm, sights etc) but still as many as AR and a bit pricey due to availability. But still available.

Swiss arms:
Design is a bit out dated in my point of view (designed in the 70's). Overpriced. I can see the SIG 556 sell for ~ USD 1700 in US. I still cannot be convinced that the black special worth double. Perhaps I missed something here. Also not as modular as the HK. For the good side is, for the price you pay you don't need to upgrade the stock, the flash hider/ muzzle break, also come with a bi-pod. Looks like it has less accessories either.

I believe they are both reliable and accurate. I am still collecting information on these 2 B.R., if I miss something please let me know.
 
I am also considering an SL-8 or the swiss arms. I am also considering quotes from different dealers.
I already own a AR but as long as it is restricted not much you can do other than punching paper. AR15 does has lots of accessories since it has been exist for almost 50 years.

Here is what I observed:

SL-8: Price wise is more reasonably priced. I see it sold for around USD 2200 in the states. Up here they are sold for about CAD2300. It is also a moderner design that use polymer instead of metal. As long as it is a sport rifle converted from an assult rifle (G36) reliability should not be an issue, but in addition it get a even better barrel (heavy barrel) and/ or perhaps a better trigger, in this case. Also tones of aftermarket parts. (Stocks, forearm, sights etc) but still as many as AR and a bit pricey due to availability. But still available.

Modern = cheap. Any time you trade steel for metal is a step backwards in my opinion. I'd take a G3 over a G36 any day of the week.

The HK SL8 is no slouch however. My only gripe with it is that it is a bulky firearm. Very lightweight and bulky.


Swiss arms:
Design is a bit out dated in my point of view (designed in the 70's). Overpriced. I can see the SIG 556 sell for ~ USD 1700 in US. I still cannot be convinced that the black special worth double. Perhaps I missed something here. Also not as modular as the HK. For the good side is, for the price you pay you don't need to upgrade the stock, the flash hider/ muzzle break, also come with a bi-pod. Looks like it has less accessories either.

I believe they are both reliable and accurate. I am still collecting information on these 2 B.R., if I miss something please let me know.

The SG 556 is an American made abomination of the real Swiss made SG 550. And the Swiss Arms is not overpriced. The price for it is the same in Switzerland as it is here.

What your paying for is high quality materials and production.

Finish: ceramic-reinforced enamel coat known as Ilaflon.

Materials: The receiver and gas system are made of steel. The barrel, bolt, bolt carrier, and firing pin are all made with steel that has been gas nitrided, hardened and tempered. The bolt and carrier, along with most other components internal to the receiver undergo a phosphating process.

Quality control: Swiss Made. Does not leave the factory untill it shoots 24 shots into 4.3"X2.8" at 300m with Swiss Match ammo.

Reliability: AK stlye gas system. 30,000 round barrel life. 100,000+ rounds for all major components.

I'm not too sure about not being modular. You can get railed forends, telescoping folding stocks, scope rails, cheek rests, trigger upgrade kits, brass catchers, forened attachable rails, etc.

I don't think the design is outdated. The AR-15 was designed in the 1960's, and nobody's complaining about that. Why fix something that not broken? There is a reason they are still being made today.
 
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Mine has worked flawlessly. Accuracy is pretty good (.75" to 1.5" @ 100yds) considering I've only used 45gr and 55gr factory loads. I've just handloaded some heavier 69gr ammo and am looking fwd to trying them out.

Well I got out to the range today with my 69gr handloads and thought some of you might be intersted in the results. The pics are in order that I shot them...moved windage 7 clicks left after the first 2 groups. Nothing to brag about...but shows some promise.

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Well I got out to the range today with my 69gr handloads and thought some of you might be intersted in the results. The pics are in order that I shot them...moved windage 7 clicks left after the first 2 groups. Nothing to brag about...but shows some promise.

5 shot groups or it's nothing....

Although, I do believe that the HK SL8 barrels are fairly well manufactured. You should have no problem holding 1 MOA 5/shots.
 
Im still waiting for my dies and components to come in, but while shooting at the local range, a fellow member gave me 5 rounds of 75gr A-Max. The 55gr white box was shooting all over the page! The 75 gr A-Max had a grouping of under 1"!

I ordered 69 grain, 72 grain, 75 grain boat tail, 75 grain amax and 80 grain boat tail. I'll post my results with pictures as soon as I get them.
 
Good job AB.boy. I'm waiting for rings to mount my scope, I have 1 box of every brand of 55gr, and 1 box of every brand of 77gr I could find around here. Should get something out of this.
 
The AR-15 was NOT designed in the 1960's. I have no idea why some folks keep thinking that idea. The M16 was made back then, the AR is a civilian version that was designed many years later. Not much is similar, save for the casing and the barrel.
 
1: The AR-15 was NOT designed in the 1960's.

2: I have no idea why some folks keep thinking that idea.

3: The M16 was made back then,..

4: ... the AR is a civilian version that was designed many years later.


1: You are correct, The AR-15 was designed in the 50's

2: They are just as uninformed as you

3: Yes the AR-15 was designated by Colt to be the M-16 for Military sales.

4: ummm...NO.
 
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