HK416/MR223 Info Thread

Next time someone says its too heavy...

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Thanks...good to know, I was wondering why people didn’t seem too exited about the slim stock ? Is the 416 stock that much better ?
Also, What sights you guys are using ?I Have the 14,5 in version, with the Hk turret and front retractable sight like shown above. I didn’t shoot it yet, got it a couple of weeks ago. I’m Not in hurry to buy super expensive optics, but I’d like eventualy something practical and proven that isngood for 100-200 m.
Suggestions ?
 
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vickers vanguard said:
Thanks...good to know, I was wondering why people didn’t seem too exited about the slim stock ? Is the 416 stock that much better ?
Also, What sights you guys are using ?I Have the 14,5 in version, with the Hk turret and front retractable sight like shown above. I didn’t shoot it yet, got it a couple of weeks ago. I’m Not in hurry to buy super expensive optics, but I’d like eventualy something practical and proven that isngood for 100-200 m.
Suggestions ?
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I suggest the Elcan Spectre DR. I quite like mine aside from the weight. If the cost and/or weight are too much for you, consider the ELCAN OS4. Same quality glass, without the 1x setting that mimics a Red-Dot Sight:


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Bartok5 said:
I suggest the Elcan Spectre DR. I quite like mine aside from the weight. If the cost and/or weight are too much for you, consider the ELCAN OS4. Same quality glass, without the 1x setting that mimics a Red-Dot Sight
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And for not a lot more you can piggyback a miniRDS on the OS4x and have a neat little package, for quite a bit less than the DR.
 
vickers vanguard said:
Thanks...good to know, I was wondering why people didn’t seem too exited about the slim stock ? Is the 416 stock that much better ?
Also, What sights you guys are using ?I Have the 14,5 in version, with the Hk turret and front retractable sight like shown above. I didn’t shoot it yet, got it a couple of weeks ago. I’m Not in hurry to buy super expensive optics, but I’d like eventualy something practical and proven that isngood for 100-200 m.
Suggestions ?
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Elcan OS3 is also a decent little optic, and lighter yet. I went with a TA33 ACOG on mine, as I wanted something light and 3X was sufficient for my needs, though you might want a bit more magnification for closer to 200. Most of my shooting is at less than 100

 
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Bartok5 said:
Not good news - no updates from HK regarding civilian deliveries coming before 3rd quarter 2018 due to factories running at max capacity to fill military contracts. That came straight from HK....
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I am curious to know how the French contract is going. The low rate production is actually a really good sign for France regarding the quality of the deliverables.
 
Bartok5, Jadam,, Cobra gt.......all you guys thanks for your input on choosing sights. the Elcan Spectar 1-4X looks great, but above my budget to be honest with you and I find it too big, and a bit heavy. I Will look at the OS3 though.....I also likes the ACOG and the price-quality ratio is much better. Watched the reviews, and eye relief seems to be an issue with most reviewers . I will shoot at maximum 100m and maybe 200 if I have the chance just for fun. It will likely be between 50-100 m. I have zero experience with magnifiers and sights, so bear with me here. what is this eye relief thing....I have a rough idea.
 
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by the way guys....just thinking loud here.....I have the 14.5 in MR223A3, with the turret sights, never fired, got it a month ago. Was contemplating the 11 inch upper. I like the 14.5 version for shooting at 100m and beyond. I understand the 11 in is more for shorter range. I was looking to get an 11 in upper on top of what I have, or maybe see here in this forum if anyone is interested to sell or trade their 11 in for a 14.5 in upper. what do you think guys. I can always get a 14.5 upper later.
 
vickers vanguard said:
I also likes the ACOG and the price-quality ratio is much better. Watched the reviews, and eye relief seems to be an issue with most reviewers . I have zero experience with magnifiers and sights, so bear with me here. what is this eye relief thing....I have a rough idea.
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Eye relief is basically the distance from the back of the optic to your eye for a proper sight picture. Where optics have a very short (your eye needs to close) or unforgiving (your eye needs to be at exactly the right distance and position) eye relief, they can be a bit of a pain to use. Some ACOGs have better eye relief than others.

TA31 has the shortest, so it needs to be mounted pretty far back, but the magnification and field of view are excellent. Good general-use optic.

TA11 has longer and more forgiving eye relief, but it's heavier than the TA31 or TA33. Good optic where you want versatility and aren't concerned about weight.

TA33 is by far the lightest of those I own, with the longest and most forgiving eye relief - you can mount it pretty much anywhere on the top of an AR, and you can almost use it like a red dot. BUT the magnification and field of view are also lower. Good optic where you want something light for shooting at closer ranges. This is what I put on my HK

TA11 is my personal overall favorite.

This is a good review: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=654467
 
vickers vanguard said:
by the way guys....just thinking loud here.....I have the 14.5 in MR223A3, with the turret sights, never fired, got it a month ago. Was contemplating the 11 inch upper. I like the 14.5 version for shooting at 100m and beyond. I understand the 11 in is more for shorter range. I was looking to get an 11 in upper on top of what I have, or maybe see here in this forum if anyone is interested to sell or trade their 11 in for a 14.5 in upper. what do you think guys. I can always get a 14.5 upper later.
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The 11" will shoot well out to 200m as long as you're doing your part. Not easy, but doable for the size of targets for say competition shooting at 200m. It will shoot 100m easy all day long.
 
Devious said:
The 11" will shoot well out to 200m as long as you're doing your part. Not easy, but doable for the size of targets for say competition shooting at 200m. It will shoot 100m easy all day long.
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Here's a group from my 416 10.4" @ 100, no problem, that's a 2" square.

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CobraGT said:
Eye relief is basically the distance from the back of the optic to your eye for a proper sight picture. Where optics have a very short (your eye needs to close) or unforgiving (your eye needs to be at exactly the right distance and position) eye relief, they can be a bit of a pain to use. Some ACOGs have better eye relief than others.

TA31 has the shortest, so it needs to be mounted pretty far back, but the magnification and field of view are excellent. Good general-use optic.

TA11 has longer and more forgiving eye relief, but it's heavier than the TA31 or TA33. Good optic where you want versatility and aren't concerned about weight.

TA33 is by far the lightest of those I own, with the longest and most forgiving eye relief - you can mount it pretty much anywhere on the top of an AR, and you can almost use it like a red dot. BUT the magnification and field of view are also lower. Good optic where you want something light for shooting at closer ranges. This is what I put on my HK

TA11 is my personal overall favorite.

This is a good review: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=654467
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I like the 14.5

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that's cool, would you trade an 14.5 in for an 11 in upper if you had the chance ? btw, is it 11in or actually a 10.4 in and everybody just call them 11 in barrels ?
just saw your picture....that's an actual 416 lower ?
 
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