HK417A2 Civie G36,MP5,G3 LOTS COMING FROM HK NOW!

I can't see how can HK243 use any "G3" internal.
It should use "G36" internal
And G36 isn't on the RCMP prohibited list !! lol

From the experience what I can see don't even dream about those G3 MP5 "looking"
stuff. The New "G36" alike variant will be more likely leagl in Canada
 
sunray said:
"...a real G3 would be great..." That'd be prohibited. It's a select fire battle rifle.
"...I moved to America..." No. You moved to the United States. If you were in Canada, you were already in America.
"...or ridiculously priced..." That'd be prohibited and ridiculously priced. HK stuff has always been high priced kit.
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Somebody is jealous :nest:
 
raks said:
Supposedly there will be some new pistols announced soon too, good times!
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P30X striker fired pistol based off P30 frame, and P30sk which will either be striker fired or hammer fired.


Oh and just to clarify the 18.9 inch G36 is classified as non restricted. The problem is finding one. And then affording one.

Brian46 said:
just like the previous SL8 and mew HK243 is not a G36, the HSG41 is not a G3, If it were to be considered a variant well that is entirely up to the RCMP

If it is deemed a variant and prohib we will have problems with the HK243 as well because it uses G3 internals according to the posts in the thread on HK pro
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This has not been officially confirmed, I'm pretty sure it will be a pusher piston system and not roller locked system. Nothing is really confirmed other than they are trying to make this now.

Brian46 said:
We will have to wait and see what the RCMP does I guess, these new rifles are all using parts from their current production lines that are prohib, hopefully HK had our retarded laws in mind when they built or they simply don't care about the northern north american market.
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Doubt it, and I don't blame them, even though a part of me wants to. Canada is a pretty small market with a schizophrenic rcmp that classifies rifles based off how drunk they are at the time. So even if they ran everything by the book and spent millions extra there is no gurantee a rc officer will say that looks scary ban it. Ignoring that the canadian market is a small market, and a large portion of this small market will only buy cheap chinese garbage. So at their best hope a small portion of a small market will give them money, worst case scenario they would have spent millions on a rifle that the inconsistent lawmakers banned anyways.

Would you keep our retarded laws in mind if you were in HKs position?
 
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Hopefully with a different model designation and enough internal operational difference there's a chance these will be restricted/non-restricted based off of barrel length. One can hope.....
 
loki_81 said:
Hopefully with a different model designation and enough internal operational difference there's a chance these will be restricted/non-restricted based off of barrel length. One can hope.....
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Well the G36 is non res in full length. so I imagine the civilian version based off it should also be non res. The sl8 was. So I imagine it would be. But hey nobody can predict how the rc firearms lab thinks.
 
Well the G36 is not named Prohib and also the fact they have Semi-versions of G36 that have FRT and the SL8 models out as well that will make them have little legal grounds to prove otherwise on any level!
 
Leibermuster said:
Well the G36 is not named Prohib and also the fact they have Semi-versions of G36 that have FRT and the SL8 models out as well that will make them have little legal grounds to prove otherwise on any level!
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the HK243 is said to use the roller locker system from the G3 internally over on HK pro, I don't see any confirmation of that from HK, but HK has stated it is a different system entirely than the G36 to get around the export laws.

In the end it is all just speculation till someone gets hands on it and give a full report (probably already out there, I just haven't seen it)
 
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ztunelover said:
Would you keep our retarded laws in mind if you were in HKs position?
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yes because I am in canada and would be marketing it to people like myself first.......Hk's sales are so large in the US that they get their own version too meet their own bastardized laws, HK only has so many other countries to sell this "sporter" rifle too and we ar probably one of the larger markets outside of the USA, you have to remember lots of other countries in the world do not allow gun ownership of this type and some even have outright gun bans.
 
Brian46 said:
the HK243 is said to use the roller locker system from the G3 internally over on HK pro, I don't see any confirmation of that from HK, but HK has stated it is a different system entirely than the G36 to get around the export laws.

In the end it is all just speculation till someone gets hands on it and give a full report (probably already out there, I just haven't seen it)
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Who said it? I asked G3Kurz and he can't confirm or deny it. I don't know where this is coming from, it could be an altered setup like the sl8 with a different bcg.

Brian46 said:
yes because I am in canada and would be marketing it to people like myself first.......Hk's sales are so large in the US that they get their own version too meet their own bastardized laws, HK only has so many other countries to sell this "sporter" rifle too and we ar probably one of the larger markets outside of the USA, you have to remember lots of other countries in the world do not allow gun ownership of this type and some even have outright gun bans.
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Stellar way to go bankrupt fast.

A lot of people are saying ooooh aaaaaah, but how many will pony up the cash for one? I've seen this in the car world where everyone likes talking about how awesome a nice titanium exhaust will be but few actually fork over the money for one. This will be a minimum 2k rifle possibly 3k+. The nr market is already saturated with tavors and xcrs and whatnot. And those that wanted the rarified HK rifles most already have a mr223/mr556. Which leaves an incredibly small number of people including those that want this regardless of what else they have. How many do you realistically see HK selling over the next 5 years? 300-500? Let's see now. if we take 500 rifles over the next 5 years at $1000 profit on HKs side that is 500k. I am almost positive factoring in r&d the profit will not be 1k per rifle, and even then 500k is barely making a dent, I am absolutely positive HK spent many millions on r&d of this rifle alone, forget retooling for the propietary bits for this gun. And looking at the number of other expensive rifles like tavor xcr acr, 500 is a pretty bloody optimistic number.

You are forgetting while canada is a reasonably fair sized when it comes to the firearms community, people here buy cheap garbage for the most part. There will be 1000 more norinco garbage before there is 100 hk sales.
 
ztunelover said:
Well the G36 is non res in full length. so I imagine the civilian version based off it should also be non res. The sl8 was. So I imagine it would be. But hey nobody can predict how the rc firearms lab thinks.
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Yeah sorry about that, didn't have time to go through the posted links and was going off of the thread title so I meant the MP5 & G3.
 
If the Rifle comes in under the Swiss Arms in price it will be home run for sure, $2500 tops and it will compete with Tavor...In the long run both sales for both rifles will do better!
 
ztunelover said:
Stellar way to go bankrupt fast.

A lot of people are saying ooooh aaaaaah, but how many will pony up the cash for one? I've seen this in the car world where everyone likes talking about how awesome a nice titanium exhaust will be but few actually fork over the money for one. This will be a minimum 2k rifle possibly 3k+. The nr market is already saturated with tavors and xcrs and whatnot. And those that wanted the rarified HK rifles most already have a mr223/mr556. Which leaves an incredibly small number of people including those that want this regardless of what else they have. How many do you realistically see HK selling over the next 5 years? 300-500? Let's see now. if we take 500 rifles over the next 5 years at $1000 profit on HKs side that is 500k. I am almost positive factoring in r&d the profit will not be 1k per rifle, and even then 500k is barely making a dent, I am absolutely positive HK spent many millions on r&d of this rifle alone, forget retooling for the propietary bits for this gun. And looking at the number of other expensive rifles like tavor xcr acr, 500 is a pretty bloody optimistic number.

You are forgetting while canada is a reasonably fair sized when it comes to the firearms community, people here buy cheap garbage for the most part. There will be 1000 more norinco garbage before there is 100 hk sales.
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what world market would you target then that would have better sales? I cant see many countries buying more civilian rifles than canada since the US is already getting their own version so that is already off the list.
 
Brian46 said:
what world market would you target then that would have better sales? I cant see many countries buying more civilian rifles than canada since the US is already getting their own version so that is already off the list.
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You are missing the point man. Yes we have one of the highest number of firearm owners excluding the us. But most of the canadian market is saturated with garbage like norinco and with old russian milsurp. While the number of civilian firearms owners in countries like switzerland, norway, finland or any of those countries are less, they generally run quality hardware, there are a lot more hk sales over there, and the classification process in most of those countries is less convoluted than ours. If it gets prohib here they lose 500 or so sales. Which sucks, but They will be losing out over double that if they botch it in any of the nordic countries or central/west countries they are losing out on closer to 3 times that many rifles. Again I say 500 with great optimism.

Don't mistake my intent, I want this rifle here, I really do. And with both the g36 and sl8 having non restricted variants I am confident this one will be as well. But to spend millions to change certain design aspects just to appease for a 500k to lets go wild 1million in profits. It doesn't make financial sense. And like I said, even then the rcmp could simply say they dont like it and boom it's either prohib or restricted. Prohib means millions of dollars down the drain for a change that was not needed. restricted means kiss those hopes of selling goodbye, they would be lucky to see 100-200 sales in 5 years.

Remember just because you and I think alike and only buy quality doesn't mean the rest of the community does. Very few purchase good hardware.
 
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It's no way they design a brand new system for it

The MR223 just swap with the "223" heavy barrel and make the lower and upper
not compatible with 416 to get around the German export law

They only need to do the same to the new "G36" alike gun here

The "rolling lock" system most be the wrong info they put up there
 
Always a gamble with the RCMP and firearms no matter what you do...
There are no specific criteria that says if you build a rifle with criteria A B C, it will be classified non restricted, with D E it will be restricted, with F G H it will be prohibited. So manufacturees have no idea how to approach the canadian market, its a complete gong show.
 
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