Hobby machinists in Vancouver?

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Wondering if there are any machinists in Vancouver with a lathe who wouldn't mind someone peeking over their shoulder as they worked for a couple hours? I know it's an odd request, but I'm teaching myself machining and have been having some troubles figuring things out with my lathe that would likely be solved by watching someone else work. Mostly my issues come from setting up my cutting tools to make smooth cuts... can't for the life of me manage it. Second is getting my forward/reverse lever to operate properly, but I suspect a short somewhere with that one.

*My apologies - I'm still learning the names for everything, so I've replaced and italicized the word I was looking for.
 
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Power feed on your lathe? If you do mean for a lathe, and not for a mill, you may have some serious mechanical issues with the machine. Lathe feeds are geared directly to the spindle on most machines, and will turn in sync with the spindle. The leadscrew, used for threading, works in the same fashion.
 
Head on over to the main branch of the Burnaby Library near Metrotown. They have a whole bunch of great books for the budding machinist. In it they show the ins and outs of grinding your own lathe tooling and setting the angles along with a huge number of other things.

If you're working with some generic carbide toolbit set that uses small triangle inserts this could be the problem. First off it takes a heavy and solid machine to work well with the "plow" like manner that molded insert tooling uses. Many of them use a negative rake setup. And that just takes more power and a more solid machine to work well.

A far better option is to get some HSS tool blanks and learn to grind them correctly. Your cuts will smoothen up right from the beginning. And unlike the many varieties of carbide insert or brazed carbide tooling HSS works well for a wide variety of steels, brass, aluminium and plastics. And a fresh cutting edge is only a touch up on the grinder away. Save the carbide tools for when you're turning something that needs the extra hardness or that is abrasive.

There's literally dozens of things you can start out making for your lathe. And by doing this instead of buying them you will learn more than you can imagine. For example I made my own heavy boring bar setup and bar holder for my lathe. The bars are 1/2, 3/4 and 1 inch and the holder is made from a hunk of 2 inch square steel. Holes for the bars were directly drilled into the block of 2x2 after facing off the ends, chamfering the corners and drilling the center hole for the hold down bolt. The block was clamped down with the hold down bolt and the drill bit needed to run the holes was chucked up in morse taper adapters directly in the headstock.

You'll quickly learn that 90% of machining metal effectively is figuring out how to hold stuff and support it when cutting the metal so you don't have to force things. The rest is just going through the motions of turning the wheels and levering the levers.

Head on around to Thomas Skinner tools and invest in a couple of GOOD lathe files. No cutter will leave the surface with a "ground smooth" sort of finish. That's where a long angle lathe file comes in.

And just because you've given me the opportunity I'll haul out my tired old pictures of tooling that I've made for myself in the hope that it inspires you..... :D

The first is some morse tapered arbors and slittle saw holder that I have made. Getting the taper set up correctly so that it only required a slight tuning with the lathe file was the big deal here.

The second is a tool post I made up for use with my knurling tools. Again because these need to be centered I was able to hold the two flute milling cutter in my head stock chuck and mill the holder directly on the lathe without the need for my milling machine.

Third is a "flat vise" which I strongly suggest is a great project. It's just the thing for holding small things like washers that you want to drill out the hole and where holding the part in a regular sideways vise would most certainly buckle the metal. What you see is about 3x3. The wussy 1/8 thick clamping bar has since been replaced by a 1/4 thick new piece and works extremely well.

The next two are pictures of a die holder and pilot shaft that is a great help for theading stuff in the lathe in a way that is "good enough" for most things. It really helps for avoiding the need to single point cut threads that only need to be OK and not exactly perfect.

And finally this is about the easiest thing to make yet it's highly useful. A dial guage holder that fits into the spot usually used for a cutting tool and that holds the dial guage with the sensor foot at the same height as a cutting edge. Very handy for zeroing stuff in the four jaw instead of using a magnetic base.

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I will echo BC Rider and say that the biggest thing to learn is how to hold small fiddly pieces that you are working on. At least for small things like the stirrup links between mainsprings and tumblers, don't be afraid to soft solder the material onto a backing piece that you can hold Also to use a short piece of shafting center drilled and threaded to hold nipples if you are making percussion nipples
thinking about your rough cutting; some steels are anything but free machining although a sharp tool helps some

cheers mooncoon
 
Power feed on your lathe? If you do mean for a lathe, and not for a mill, you may have some serious mechanical issues with the machine. Lathe feeds are geared directly to the spindle on most machines, and will turn in sync with the spindle. The leadscrew, used for threading, works in the same fashion.

Apologies - I used the wrong name - still getting the hang of it. My manual has it listed as the Forward/reverse lever. It's an electric switch that throws the breaker whenever I run it. I may have solved that problem though, have to check tomorrow.

BCRider: Thanks for the great suggestions and ideas! I'll head out to the Burnaby Library asap to see what I can find (hopefully no bedbugs in their books :p ). So far I've been using a shop theory manual printed in 1942 that seems to partially rely on a taught course to make sense. Thank you as well for the good projects - they all strike me as things that are good to have! I have been using carbide inserts, but have some high speed steel bits the previous owner made so I will try those to see if that's the issue.

Mooncoon: Good call on learning how to hold parts. So far nothing I need to do is overly demanding, but it's guaranteed to get that way soon :p Also I did find that some steels machined poorly compared to others, but I was getting a horrible finish on all of them, when the previous owner demonstrated the same tools and lathe to do very nice work, so I suspect it is something I am doing.

Hickstick_10: I'm afraid I don't have a good answer for you other than as slowly as I can go. I have tried using the feed but while it was more consistent it was still slightly too fast... though it should have produced a nice cut at the speed it was advancing, so this is why I suspect it is something to do with how I've set up the cutting tools.

Thanks everyone for the help - no way to learn than by trying, but it's really helpful to ask those with experience now and then! :D
 
Reversible motors tend to show up on 3 phase power lathes or really small hobby ones. Whatcha got?
Instant reversing will draw a heavy current unless the motor has a pretty good power supply to it. Better to stop, then reverse. Disregard, if you have commercial 3 phase power.

There is an active Live Steam model railroad bunch in the Lower Mainland. I think they are as close to a hobby metalworking group as there is around there. Check out Lautard.com. Local writer, hobby machinist, etc. He may be worth contacting in person, shoot him an email, and he may be able to hook you up with some closer-to-you contact info. Buy a copy of his "Bedside Reader series of books! Really. The machinist's Bedside Reader, is the title of the first one. Worth trying for contact, though.

Cheers
Trev
 
try varying the spindle speed and the depth of your cuts. You will find varying degrees of chatter and ridging with different speeds. Also keep your cuts fairly shallow. I have a Myford 7 and usually cut around .005" per pass although I occasionally go to .010". A round nosed tool will give a smoother cut but takes more power to use it and obviously does not cut to a sharp shoulder. I rarely use carbide tipped bits and never the ones with the triangular inserts. If you do jam a carbide bit, don't try to go back with it; the point will break off and they are a bugger to sharpen. Stop the lathe and back the tool out at 90 degrees to the long axis of the lathe

cheers mooncoon
 
Very important to grind the proper angles, have the tool on center, and most critical to any machining is using the proper SFM for the material and tooling used.
The size/type of lathe you have will kinda dictate a bit the best approach to take machining wise. Obviously fix any problems with the machine before trying to get too far ahead.

Collets are the best thing to go with for small turning.
Lots of good machinist forums on the net, some more dedicated to hobby/home shop stuff and others like PM more for the guys doing this all day every day but has lots of great info.
 
Very important to grind the proper angles, have the tool on center, and most critical to any machining is using the proper SFM for the material and tooling used.
The size/type of lathe you have will kinda dictate a bit the best approach to take machining wise. Obviously fix any problems with the machine before trying to get too far ahead.

Collets are the best thing to go with for small turning.
Lots of good machinist forums on the net, some more dedicated to hobby/home shop stuff and others like PM more for the guys doing this all day every day but has lots of great info.
Gotta be a bit careful as there's lots of stuff out there and on youtube that would not fly in a real machine shop.
Safety first...
 
The one I got was avi's, but this one is an ISO, which is an image of a dvd. In any case, VLC media player, and I'm sure some others, can read and view ISO's. That would be the easiest way.
 
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