Hollow Point Hunting???

Yessir you are correct. I finally found it finally in the Alberta hunting regulations:

BIG GAME

It is unlawful to

set out, use or employ any of the following items for the purpose of hunting big game:
ammunition of less than .23 calibre,
[COLOR="#FF0000"]ammunition that contains non-expanding bullets[/COLOR],
an auto-loading firearm that has the capacity to hold more than 5 cartridges in the magazine,
a shotgun having a gauge of .410 or less,
a shotgun in a bird sanctuary,
bait, except as permitted for the hunting of black bears (click here for more information on Black Bear baiting),
an arrow other than an authorized arrow (click here for more information on bowhunting),
a bow other than an authorized bow (click here for more information on bowhunting),
a muzzle-loading firearm of less than .44 calibre,
a rifle or shotgun in WMUs 212, 248 or 410 (persons hunting under the authority of a Strathcona White-tailed Deer Licence, a Foothills Deer Licence, or an Antlerless Moose Special Licence in Strathcona County may hunt with a bow and arrow, cross-bow, muzzle loader or shotgun),
a trap,
a cross-bow and arrow that is not authorized (click here to view Hunting with a Cross-bow)
 
We have tried a couple different types of 7.62x39 hollow points on deer with not so good results. Seems the hollow point gets plugged with the hide and doesn't expand. I would stick to soft points.
 


Winchester ballistic silvertip. .308 168gr. All the get-up-and-go of a boat tail, with the terminal ballistics of of hp. $42 a box at waltermart. I've only taken one moose with them, but it was BangFlopDead so... 2 thumbs up from me.
 
Lots of deer moose hunters that use the Ruger 44 carbine shoot 240 grain hollow points and they do a heck of a job and dropping game.
So depending on the type of HP bullet you are using you should be ok
 
a good quality bullet will always be worth the money when it comes to hunting. You have to suit your bullet to the game you are after. Obviously if your going after large thick skin heavy bone animals, Moose, grizzly, elk etc, you will want a bullet that'll expand deeper into the tissue to get to the vitals. Something like the barnes tsx, or the nosler accubond. If you're going for something smaller like deer, or prong horn, those bullets might not even start expanding at ranges of 100 yds or less on something that small, you'd want to go to a soft point as suggested, like a nosler partition, or a sp corlokt, or a hollowpoint like the winchester power max.
 
Ih8sks said:
a good quality bullet will always be worth the money when it comes to hunting. You have to suit your bullet to the game you are after. Obviously if your going after large thick skin heavy bone animals, Moose, grizzly, elk etc, you will want a bullet that'll expand deeper into the tissue to get to the vitals. Something like the barnes tsx, or the nosler accubond. If you're going for something smaller like deer, or prong horn, those bullets might not even start expanding at ranges of 100 yds or less on something that small, you'd want to go to a soft point as suggested, like a nosler partition, or a sp corlokt, or a hollowpoint like the winchester power max.
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Why wouldn't they expand at under 100 yards?
 
I plan on picking up the XCR-M heavy barrel in .308 is why I ask. Anybody hunt with this rifle? What round does it seem to like best? That winchester ballistic Silvertip sounds nice.
 
shanemacbigsac said:
Hey just wondering if I can hunt large game, such as moose, with a .308 hollow point round or does it have to be a soft point?
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There are several hollow point bullets that are suitable for big game hunting, but I would caution against using hollow point pistol bullets fired at rifle velocities, or varmint bullets for use on big game as these are too fragile to produce anything but wounded game. HP match bullets tend to be unsuitable for use on game due to their inconsistent terminal performance, they can explode like a varmint bullet or they don't expand at all, and just pencil through, either results in wounded game. A couple of examples of the most common hollow point bullets that are suitable for big game are the Barnes TSXs, and the Sierra HPBT Game Kings.
 
the spank said:
IMO hollow points have no business as a hunting bullet beyond varmints. They are just not designed for deep penetration. If your goal is a big hole I'd suggest something like a ballistic tip.
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A Ballistic tip is a hollow point with the hole plugged for streamlining. So is an Accubond, a TTSX and several others. I've got some Accu-bonds here that the points fell out of if you don't believe it. Very hollow, not very pointy now. The list of great hunting bullets with un-plugged hollow points is long. I've even got some ESP Raptor hollow-points that have the tips packaged separately, presumably to save the trouble of them falling off themselves. The BC change brought about by these user installed tips is considerable, but under the plastic its still the same hollow-point mono bullet.
 
the spank said:
IMO hollow points have no business as a hunting bullet beyond varmints. They are just not designed for deep penetration. If your goal is a big hole I'd suggest something like a ballistic tip.
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This isn't completely true... Hollow points can be devastating on medium and big game. They may not be designed for deep penetration, but given the proper caliber and bullet selection, there is no reason not to use them.
For example, a 300 grain 45/70 HP will have no problem whacking a deer.
 
Ih8sks said:
a good quality bullet will always be worth the money when it comes to hunting. You have to suit your bullet to the game you are after. Obviously if your going after large thick skin heavy bone animals, Moose, grizzly, elk etc, you will want a bullet that'll expand deeper into the tissue to get to the vitals. Something like the barnes tsx, or the nosler accubond. If you're going for something smaller like deer, or prong horn, those bullets might not even start expanding at ranges of 100 yds or less on something that small, you'd want to go to a soft point as suggested, like a nosler partition, or a sp corlokt, or a hollowpoint like the winchester power max.
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Just to clarify are you implying that the Nosler Partition is not suited to Moose hunting? Because I believe it was invented to overcome failures of conventional cup and core bullets of the time on moose. Also the wivestale of tough bullets not expanding at close range is illogical, what causes a bullet to upset and expand if not velocity? Yes a tough bullet may fail to expand on lighter game, but the closer the impact is and the velocity at impact the more likely it will be to actually expand.

shanemacbigsac said:
I plan on picking up the XCR-M heavy barrel in .308 is why I ask. Anybody hunt with this rifle? What round does it seem to like best? That winchester ballistic Silvertip sounds nice.
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Its a heavier rifle than I prefer to carry while hunting but if I were sitting in a blind I probably wouldn't mind. Every rifle is different and you will have to establish what yours likes for yourself as far as ammo goes. Do you reload? If not, myself I would probably shoot whatever 150-165 grain shot best for deer and black bears and for moose I am a big fan of premium bonded bullets, or Nosler partitions and similar tough bullets. I reload so I would load up some 130 and 150 grain TTSX or TSX bullets and try those for accuracy if I was using my .308 for a moose hunt.
 
tjsudbury said:
You do realize that Barnes TSX bullets are "hollow point" don't you?
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You do realize that the Barnes TSX and Original X Bullets where and are continuously being improved upon for better part of the last 40 years for hunting?

The Op says nothing about what bullet design to use for hunting Big Game now does he?

Just that he wants to use a 30 cal. hollow point bullet and later on ask for advice on his choice of bullet and firearm for hunting Big Game.

The original question can be answered from reviewing the Hunter Education Course for the Province in which one resides and with a little refresher should be able to determine if a ''Generic Hollow Point Bullet'' is appropriate to hunt with, is legal to hunt with and ethical to hunt with.

But, I digress it is Wednesday morning (PST) and am waiting for the EE Price rant thread to appear.

Tight Groups,
Rob
 
the spank said:
IMO hollow points have no business as a hunting bullet beyond varmints. They are just not designed for deep penetration. If your goal is a big hole I'd suggest something like a ballistic tip.
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tjsudbury said:
You do realize that Barnes TSX bullets are "hollow point" don't you?
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I should have had the market cornered on that reply. Too damned busy for my own good!
 
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