Holos/red dots
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This may be an issue for a professional soldier but to advise a civilian not to buy one because they may have to make an adjustment of a couple clicks in order to hit center of the target if they sighted in their rifle in June and then they take it out for a day in December seems a little silly.
Have they stopped to consider that even gunpowders that claim to be temperature stable will still shoot to different POI if you shoot the same rounds at -30 that you sighted in at +30 and that you will even get a different POI after 10 rounds if you let the 10th round sit in a hot chamber for a minute?
We play on a one way range and having to make a small adjustment to an optic when shooting in the winter compared to shooting in the summer isn't an issue in my mind. I have to do the same thing with my long range rifles, when shooting on a +30C day my zero is different than shooting on a +10C day. I don't care as long as it holds zero all day once it's set and having to make a two click adjustment isn't the end of the world.
Any way you look at it and no matter what USSOCOM says or what L3 has changed their manual to say I would still take an EoTech over a Bushnell or a Vortex any day of the week. If an EoTech has those issues then chances are pretty good so does a Bushnell, it's just that no professional would ever use a Bushnell so we don't hear about it from them.
not really fair comparing an Eotech to a trs or sparc. Starting with the issue that one is a laser holographic sight unit and the others are red dot sights. So the big issue is the technology behind the sights.
But to compare fairly would be an eotech vs aimpoint since they are both similar in price.
But to compare fairly would be an eotech vs aimpoint since they are both similar in price.
Nowhere did anyone say not to buy an Eotech. Nor did anyone compare them to the Vortex, etc. Shawn merely posted a comment regarding the current issues being experienced with Eotechs.
Chances are the red dot type sights do not experience the same shift, due to different technology. The shift is something that several large LE agencies have experienced, with patrol rifles being stored in hot vehicles. Most professional users are accepting the information, and making decisions to stay with Eotechs while accomodating the issues, due to financial constraints, or to dump them in favour of Aimpoints.
The only people who are arguing about this are civilian users who appear to have an emotional and financial attachment to their decision to run Eotechs as opposed to other systems, and will attempt to justify their decision by making excuses as to why it doesn't affect them, and attempt to convince others to purchase the same, as if by doing so, it somehow validates their choice.
Yes, other factors will change POA/POI, but why knowingly use a piece of equipment that will do it when there are other options?
Regards.
Mark
Chances are the red dot type sights do not experience the same shift, due to different technology. The shift is something that several large LE agencies have experienced, with patrol rifles being stored in hot vehicles. Most professional users are accepting the information, and making decisions to stay with Eotechs while accomodating the issues, due to financial constraints, or to dump them in favour of Aimpoints.
The only people who are arguing about this are civilian users who appear to have an emotional and financial attachment to their decision to run Eotechs as opposed to other systems, and will attempt to justify their decision by making excuses as to why it doesn't affect them, and attempt to convince others to purchase the same, as if by doing so, it somehow validates their choice.
Yes, other factors will change POA/POI, but why knowingly use a piece of equipment that will do it when there are other options?
Regards.
Mark
In general I'm the last person to recommend chinese optics but I have been hearing from a few high-volume shooters south of the border that these have held up to tens-of-thousands-of-rounds shooting schedules.
Personally I buy used aimpoints and shield optics, but I'd probably give one of these a go if I needed another optic and wasn't going to bet my life on it. Which, realistically, I wouldn't be.
I run an Eotech EXPS 2-2 on my .223 AR (Colt 6920) and have nothing but great things to say about it. Since the op doesn't wanna spend that kinda dough, I'd have to say try out a TRS-25. I got one in trade on the EE for $100 and run it on my .22 AR and so far, have zero issues with it. It's small, holds zero (granted it's on a .22) and seems to run without issue. I'm not a huge fan of the brightness adjuster also being the on/off switch but so be it. It's inexpensive and it works well 
i got the bushnell for 100 bucks,it was a demo.put it on my sks and fired off a whole 1420 case of crappy corrosive ammo .picked up a box of non corrosive and the very first round the ejected shell cracked the frigging lens.it still work,but man am i glad i didn't spend more on a red dot.
So your red dot was mounted too close to your ejection port. Not a new problem with the sks and a scout mount, you just picked the wrong style of red dot for it.
Not the red dots fault, and wouldn't have happened with an eotech. Just saying...
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You made a good choice enjoy
i have the sks mount.the problem is if its mounted too far forward you can't flip up the gas tube lever to clean it so its mounted as far forward as it can be without removing it every time you clean it,which is every time you shoot corrosive thru it.anyway,it gives me a good excuse to buy a new holo sight now.
I'm glad my first car was a beater, because I sucked at driving and crashed it after a few months.
Contact Bushnell and see if they'll replace it. They have lifetime warranty. I was told that even if I mounted the firststrike on a 12ga and it broke that it would be replaced no questions asked. It's worth the time it takes to write them an email and find out.
I'll never buy another Bushnell, I feel their glass quality has gone downhill and I'm pretty disappointed with the last two of their products I've owned. They do however have an excellent warranty.
Another vote here for the Holosun red-dots. I've got 3 of the basic models on .12 ga shotguns with no issues. I've got the Solar-powered circle-dot (eg. eotech-style) reticle on an AR and it is very, very nice for the money ($289 MSRP). Realistically, there is no need to worry about battery life with the solar-powered models as even artificial room light adequately powers the sight. Try one - I think you will really like it for the $$.
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- South Ontario
The sparc 2 is greatly improved. You should take vortex up on the lifetime warranty if your having issues
I'm in about the same boat. I'd like something I could try on an AR or a VZ (with the proper mount). The holosun one with the circle dot is really appealing to me but there doesn't seem to be too much information out there. I have had cheapo red dots on pellet guns before and my biggest problem has always been forgetting to turn them off. Solar with a ridiculously long battery life should solve that.
So what else is out there with a circle dot or something similar that won't cost more than a Norc AR? I figure if a sight costs more than a norc I could just buy another norc and shoot two AR's from the hip thus doubling my chances of a hit.
So what else is out there with a circle dot or something similar that won't cost more than a Norc AR? I figure if a sight costs more than a norc I could just buy another norc and shoot two AR's from the hip thus doubling my chances of a hit.
You may need to start accounting for ammo costs per hit as well.
If you can find a used bushnell holosight those are really good. I used to have one and sold it....kinda wish I hadn't.
