Holster certification for IDPA

Names names names....
I wish folks wouldn't get so hung up on them and then make all sorts of assumptions...
Everyone knows what IPSC is and what it does... Me thinks 'round here the term IDPA and perhaps CDP simply refer to another style of match...
There just hasn't been a cooler name thought up:D
If I say I'm hosting an IDPA match most guys know what I mean...
We're just borrowing the trem to describe what we're doing.... We pick and choose the IDPA rules that suit us and then put on a match...
We do it for fun and really don't worry too much about affiliation with the mothership....
 
667 said:
We're just borrowing the trem to describe what we're doing.... We pick and choose the IDPA rules that suit us and then put on a match...
We do it for fun and really don't worry too much about affiliation with the mothership....
That's OK, so long as you let people know the rules you've decide on well before they make the commitment to go to the match.

By stating that it's an "(Insert Alphabet) established organization" match, you're telling people that bringing gun A and equipment B and doing this and that are going to be OK.

Too often in "fun" matches, people arrive and find that only parts of the rules are being used and others are being created that day. Then they find they aren't having any fun at all.

The reason I am so strict on my guys here for adherence to the IPSC rules for Level 1s is because I don't want anyone going home after the match thinking they got ripped off because of different rules or worse - follow the same loose rules at another larger match and get punted because it was OK at Club Loosey.

Mother ships keep consistency. Consistency keeps people coming back.:D
 
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Freedom Ventures said:
That's OK, so long as you let people know the rules you've decide on well before they make the commitment to go to the match.

Mother ships keep consistency. Consistency keeps people coming back.:D

Well put, Sean....
 
Honestly, I like IDPA because it leans toward the tactical.

The reason I want a "holster course" is so I don't have to wait around for my smaller, slower moving club to put one on. I want to be able actually practice presenting. I can't do that unless I can prove I have had some instruction on proper use of a holster.

If I actually have to protect myself, I don't want to blow off a toe or harm fellow citizen. The Utah is the paper. It's no good if you can't get the damn pistol out of the holster safely and actually hit something after that.

I love my club, hell, I'm a Director, but we don't move too fast on training and I am on a timeline.
 
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RANT ON :):p

For those of you that know me, you know that I have shot ALOT of IPSC and just started into CDPA this year.

I've found good and bad in both. With IPSC, there is a definite set of rules that are strictly adhered to and dictate how matches and courses of fire will be designed, set up and run. Unfortunately, I've seen rule changes that should have been made that weren't and then there are changes that haven't been made but should! On the whole though, it is alot of FUN but sometimes just too political.

With CDPA/IDPA, I've found that there is a set of rules that dictate how matches and courses of fire will be designed BUT the actual running of a course of fire is dictated by the range officer who is officiating at that particular time. Sometimes, those range officials assess penalties for some and not for others and that just aint right! Oh, and it's starting to become political! CDPA, IDPA, CDP???? Get a grip, they're the same game!

So, I shoot IPSC to be competitive and work on SOME shooting skills with a gun/holster that I would never carry operationally, and to me, CDPA is fun and a way to test SOME skills using a gun and equipment that I would actually use operationally and in training tac, mil and LEO's.

I like the use of cover and tactical rules but I've found that, often, the debates on tactics of "gunfighting" in CDPA get to be a little much..especially when it's by people who have ZERO actual knowledge of tactics.

To say that either discipline deals with actual TACTICS is delusional at best. Both offer GREAT shooting scenarios and practice but that's about it.

In CDPA, I've seen competitors waste 5 seconds trying to pick up a dropped mag with rounds in it rather than deal with a tactical scenario or RO'S who dicatate which target and technique should have been utilized first i.e. engaging all targets in tactical sequence with one round then returning for the second.

BOTH are games, both offer practice for shooting and fun competition but any relation to actual tactics in either is fleeting at best.

BUT I STIIL LOVE SHOOTING 'EM BOTH. We need to understand and agree that any shooting is good , shooting is fun whether it is hunting, skeet, trap, CIVSAC, bulls-eye, PPC, IPSC, small bore, long range rifle, IDPA, CDPA, 3-gun, 2 gun, zombie matches, sporting clays, plinking. Those who watch what we do often see only guns and they could be put off by the inability of our own people to get along. I've notived that if you take someone that has never shot anything and give them strong safety instructions, supervision and a gun that won't hurt, most people will love it and we usually end up increasing the ranks and understanding of gun owners by one more! :dancingbanana:

It's like frickin' kids on a playground thinking dodgeball is better than football..it's all about what you LIKE to play, not whether one is better than the other. And as far as I'm concerned hockey sucks but boxing and football are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

I see that Quig, Sean, 667, Pop and some others have all jumped in here and I like the discourse but guys... quit arguing, it's self-defeating and pointless.:(

RANT OFF
 
tritium said:
RANT ON :):p

It's like frickin' kids on a playground thinking dodgeball is better than football..

Okay... everyone knows dodgball rules! Football is for sissy's

tritium said:
I see that Quig, Sean, 667, Pop and some others have all jumped in here and I like the discourse but guys... quit arguing, it's self-defeating and pointless.:(
RANT OFF

There's no argueing here.... This is getting hit on he head lessons. You want down the hall, second door on the left.
 
tritium said:
I see that Quig, Sean, 667, Pop and some others have all jumped in here and I like the discourse but guys... quit arguing, it's self-defeating and pointless
Who's arguing? 667, Pop and Quig have all made great posts - in a discussion format that have all given solid information.

Can't we discuss differences in shooting sports (with hopes to learn something from each other...) without you getting all defensive?:p

Edit: Been thinking about this some more - so I have something else to say. It is in everyone's best interest (IPSC, IDPA, Cowboy, CDPA, PPC, even ISU) that we put on entertaining and fun shooting events, 'cause more shooters are good PERIOD. If I or IPSC Canada can help other orgs do thier thing, I'm for it. If I loose a shooter to another shooting sport - it's OK - it's better than loosing him to golf.
 
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OK, I got in-touch with David, I will post a note in my club to find out how many are interested in taking the course and book the indoor range for that weekend. Target date is Dec 1-2.
I havent confirmed if non-members can shoot, but I will check.
if interested then PM me and i will get back to you.
BTW, it is in Cambridge, ON.
 
Can't we discuss differences in shooting sports (with hopes to learn something from each other...) without you getting all defensive?:p

Edit: Been thinking about this some more - so I have something else to say. It is in everyone's best interest (IPSC, IDPA, Cowboy, CDPA, PPC, even ISU) that we put on entertaining and fun shooting events, 'cause more shooters are good PERIOD. If I or IPSC Canada can help other orgs do thier thing, I'm for it. If I loose a shooter to another shooting sport - it's OK - it's better than loosing him to golf.[/QUOTE]


Sean, I think you misunderstood my post. From reading the posts in this thread it appeared to me that there was some concern on your part about CDPA and how matches are adminsitered. I don't know if you've played in the Canadian version but it's very young and is experiencing growing pains Just like IPSC did when it started out. I'm sure they will iron themselves out. It seems like the US verison is also experiencing its fair share of growing pains too and I think that comes down to disagreements concerning tactics.

I see a strong potential for both organizations to cooperate, advise one another and further the ends of both the organizations and the shooters!

Oh, and as for me being "Rodney King"ed by you... listen closely... I think that sound is your alarm clock trying to wake you up... you must be dreaming!:eek: :)

I'll return to my current view that arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics..even if you win you still look like a retard. :D
 
tritium said:
I'll return to my current view that arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics..even if you win you still look like a retard. :D

Nice..... makin' fun of the developmentally handicapped.
'You steal handicapped parking spaces too?
 
You're right, my initial statement was to make others aware of the problems that seem to be inherent between IPSC and CDPA but both you and Sean have now stepped forward to say that there is no problem and all is well.

I should never have questioned the Gods of IPSC and CDPA... I will now sell all of my guns.
 
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Popurhedoff said:
At the POSC (Pembroke Outdoor Sportsmans Club), we host IDPA matches as per the IDPA rule book. Tritium even meets all the requirements :)

You guys run great matches Pops and the rules are enforced uniformly. If we get more guys that show the dedication to detail that the members at your club show then IDPA will grow and become as well organized as IPSC.

Just my $0.02.
 
Quigley said:
Is there any affiliation between IDPA and CDPA?

There was supposed to be (and probably still is). That was the original intent. CSSA was trying to get a standardized relationship going between the two so that the games were interchangeable, once hardware/game differences due to laws were taken care of, and CDPA was going to become the reference standard for IPDA in Canada. It looks like its kind of gone off the rails some, I suspect primarily because of lack of manpower.
 
I just completed our first CDP course at our club and did our first match last week. With the exception of a few rules, the barrel lenght in SSR class and the use of the Uncle Mikes "belt" Kydex holster, the rules are basically the same.

I put together an IDPA style league at our place back in 2002 but had to stop due to range upgrade issues with the CFO in 2004, that rule book was put togehter form the IDPA rules book aswell, again with the exception of the the length of barrle for SSR class.

This thread is going a little off topic with the personal digs, I do not understand what the issues are here.
 
tritium said:
I should never have questioned the Gods of IPSC and CDPA... I will now sell all of my guns.
To me. :D
Earl - the Rodney King comment was along the lines of "Can't We All Get Along..." Sorry, thought you'd get that part...:D :redface:
 
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Freedom Ventures said:
To me. :D
Earl - the Rodney King comment was along the lines of "Can't We All Get Along..." Sorry, thought you'd get that part...:D :redface:

DOH!!! Sometimes I can be SOOOO dumb.. Sorry Sean... I get it now!:redface:

In my initial post I wasn't trying to be critical, it just sounded like there was some difficulty seeing eye to eye... maybe I didn't see that some helpful advice was offered. It's very hard to convery or interpret tone in type written messages!:)

I would like to see the varied sports get along and promote one another for the good of all firearms/shooting sports enthusiasts. :D

As for selling my guns..I have to sell a few to make room for others!!!!!!!!! Besides, my STI needs an overhaul and some new deep bluing!!!
 
Popurhedoff said:
At the POSC (Pembroke Outdoor Sportsmans Club), we host IDPA matches as per the IDPA rule book. Tritium even meets all the requirements :)


I assume that means there is not a minimum height requirement :p

If you think about it...it's not really fair...he can hide behind most cover with out even bending his knees :dancingbanana:
 
Quigley said:
I assume that means there is not a minimum height requirement :p

If you think about it...it's not really fair...he can hide behind most cover with out even bending his knees :dancingbanana:

LOL... what's funny is I actually was laughing about this and then I thought, "Hey, that's absolutely true!"

That doesn't bother me one bit, I'm still a stable shooting platform AND safely behind cover... comes in handy for real life stuff..i.e. when the jealous husband comes home!!!! (just kidding):eek: :runaway:
 
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