Holster certification

Amazing

Freedom Ventures said:
More self-serving on your part than hypocritical on ours. It's your choice to accept IPSC certified individuals; you don't have to.
You do because you know it's a source of possible new, safe recruits.
But hey - at any time - feel free to stop accepting us - we won't be hurt.

When *DPA creates a national mandatory training program that pumps out people at the same competency level as the black badge anywhere in Canada; please feel free to present it to us; we'll look at it. :cheers:
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Simply amazing!

Greg
 
Quigley said:
I'm all for supporting the other shooting organizations...so long as we don;t have to keep training your members ;)
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What difference does it make... As long as folks pay their course fee.
I recommend the BB course to folks wanting to shoot ODPL simply because it's established and available and clubs recognize/approve of the BB.

Personally I think too much is made of the whole "holster" qualification. But it's the way things are and we gotta deal with it.

If I was king you could come to my range and if in ten minutes you could show you knew how to use a holster I'd let you shoot any game.. :)
 
Best not to always take me seriously...:yingyang:

667 said:
What difference does it make... As long as folks pay their course fee.
I recommend the BB course to folks wanting to shoot ODPL simply because it's established and available and clubs recognize/approve of the BB.

Personally I think too much is made of the whole "holster" qualification. But it's the way things are and we gotta deal with it.

If I was king you could come to my range and if in ten minutes you could show you knew how to use a holster I'd let you shoot any game.. :)
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Um...Dave

With all due respect...you chose to make this an us vs them...

As far as I'm aware...you have never approached anyone within IPSC to even discuss the concept (not that I think you would get very far)

Instread you keep your idea to yourself...and call us hypocrites (in a public forum no less) :rolleyes:

Appearantly you have alot of spare time on your hands...Why don't you spend it trying to mend a few brydges within the Defensive Pistol comminity...before you decide to burn IPSC...

Seems to me like perhaps you are the hypocrite.


Steve David said:
Yeah I agree, nice way to promote the sport.
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I just thought I would share some info to those in the Kitchener/Waterloo area in Ontario...

Shooter's Choice is having a "holster certification course" on June 19th and 20th

Waterloo County Revolver Club is having a IPSC Black Badge course on the weekend of June 5th-7th
 
Hey Stormbringer, there was a Canadian Nationals in '96 and another in '98 and an Ontario Provincials in 2000 (and I got tired).
The good news is that in August there will be an Ontario Provincials for it at Barrie and it might even get certified a a Regional by the NRA.
Begin discussion here....:)
 
Jarlath said:
More like not allowed to shoot IPSC. Those who are DPA certified, may not compete effectively in an IPSC environment, but they should be equal in safety. The basic premises of "holster usage" is the same, and both have pretty much the same core rules.

#1 Safety
#2 See rule #1
Everything else after that is specific to the game. Classes/equipment/rules/scoring/etc...
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OK,..but :kickInTheNuts:, take that. I shot a CDP match recently,...and although I do not agree with all the of the mag retention and cover interpretations,..I followed the rules. I THink I won a good portion of the stages,(with a gun I only shot once before)....and used cover...only got one penalty I think for dropping a mag. I observed that although safety was followed,...it was borderline sometimes with non-IPSC trained/seasoned shooters. Just one observation,..I am sure someone else will say the something to the contrary. Some very accurate shooters to be fair,..but I would be very cautious of allowing a non-IPSC shooter shoot an IPSC match sans Black Badge.
 
mrclean said:
Hey Stormbringer, there was a Canadian Nationals in '96 and another in '98 and an Ontario Provincials in 2000 (and I got tired).
The good news is that in August there will be an Ontario Provincials for it at Barrie and it might even get certified a a Regional by the NRA.
Begin discussion here....:)
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Is this Bianchi?
 
Both the International Practical Pistol Association (IPSC) and the International Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA) are two very different handgun sports. Neither has to apologise for their being, nor is one better than the other. Shoot what you prefer or both.

Somebody mentioned mending fences between various defensive pistol groups. There are no fences to mend. Those clubs and members who see value in affiliating and joining IDPA will and we welcome them. Those who choose not to are free to shoot whatever they want.

IDPA to date has not chosen to institute a requirement somilar to the Black Badge Course and I know of no movement to do so. IPSC has their Black Badge reguirement and given most of us who have taken it know that safety with a handgun and practical experience in drawing and shooting from a holster is covered. IPSC members are welcome to shoot IDPA and certainly the Black Badge requirement does remove concerns about the shooters ability to safely shoot an action pistol sport like IDPA. The basic competition rules are different but can be learned rather quickly.

Locally I shot club matches with the IPSC crowd long before I took the Black Badge and joined IPSC. I suspect this is not entirely limited to the area I live in.

If you want to shoot IPSC by all means take the Black Badge Course. You will learn the rules of the game, get practical experience on how to shoot a handgun safely while engages in a fun action sport. The Black Badge is a requirement to be a member of IPSC, accept it. Those are the rules of the sport in Canada. Nothing hypocritical about it. Thoise clubs in folow the IDPA New Shooters Orientation Course do the same thing accept the rules are much different, applied differently and require practical experience in shooting following the rules of the game.

The two sports have two very different rules and approach to those rules to be considering a situation where you could move from IDPA to IPSC by some course that would prepare you for both.

Sean and I are on the same page when it comes to the need for both sports to stress safety. That is a big part of the Black Badge course but not all of it.

Sean I apologise if anyone on this board has suggested IPSC Canada has been, is or maybe in the future hypocritical on this matter. I don't think Steve meant it quite the way it came out. If I thought a need to approach you on this matter you know I would.

Take Care

Bob
ps There is no "we", "they" between IPSC, and IDPA. Both are great shooting sports. Enjoy one or the other or both.
 
Well let me make this clear to Sean and Quigly, did I say that you 2 were hypocrits, NO, not in anyway what so ever, if you took it that way, don't be so sensative, it is only a sport. If you are litteraly IPSC then ok you are, but you are not, you are participants in and members in the league, it is the rules that I find hypocritical, why does IPSC not accept one of the Defensive Pistol holster courses, answer me that?
 
Steve David said:
why does IPSC not accept one of the Defensive Pistol holster courses, answer me that?
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Why would they? Frankly, I'm surprised that IDAP accepts Black Badges...

I'm not suggesting that one is any better or any safer than the other...but the rules are different. I wouldn't feel at all comfortable going to an IDPA match with out IDPA specific training on the rules (safe cover, failure to do right, bla bla) nor would I be very pleased to show up at an IPSC match that's running two hours behind shedule because we have non qualified shooters (even if they are safe) that keep asking questions about the specific rules...

Wanna race Nascar...don't train in Formula 1
 
Quigley said:
Why would they? Frankly, I'm surprised that IDAP accepts Black Badges...

I'm not suggesting that one is any better or any safer than the other...but the rules are different. I wouldn't feel at all comfortable going to an IDPA match with out IDPA specific training on the rules (safe cover, failure to do right, bla bla) nor would I be very pleased to show up at an IPSC match that's running two hours behind shedule because we have non qualified shooters (even if they are safe) that keep asking questions about the specific rules...

Wanna race Nascar...don't train in Formula 1
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A right to the point answer, thank you Quigly. BUt IDPA will honour IPSC training and will continue to do so, or so I hope. Personally I have no problem with an IPSC shooter coming to an IDPA match, not a sanctioned match as you would have to do the classifier to qualify, but we get IPSC shooters coming out all the time to our weekly matches and I see no need to put them through a holster course if they already know how to draw a firearm safely from a holster, unless they insist on it then they are more then welcome to participate. I also have no problem spending the time with them to show them the rules and how we run matches, not an issue with me, but that is just me. As far as the rules go, that is why each member get a rule book when they join, read and enjoy.

If you and Sean felt like I was calling you hypocrits, again, I was not and that was not at all my intention, I was calling this rule hypocritical and I do feel it is, but once again, that is just me, I was not in any way trying to start an us vs. them pissing contest, it was a comment made about the rules, nothing more. Not you or any IPSC shooters.
 
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Maybe we're all just a bit overly senstive these days :cool: I blame global warming...er...I mean climate change.

I think less typing and more trigger time is in order

Cheers
Q

Steve David said:
A right to the point answer, thank you Quigly. BUt IDPA will honour IPSC training and will continue to do so, or so I hope. Personally I have no problem with an IPSC shooter coming to an IDPA match, not a sanctioned match as you would have to do the classifier to qualify, but we get IPSC shooters coming out all the time to our weekly matches and I see no need to put them through a holster course if they already know how to draw a firearm safely from a holster, unless they insist on it then they are more then welcome to participate. I also have no problem spending the time with them to show them the rules and how we run matches, not an issue with me, but that is just me. As far as the rules go, that is why each member get a rule book when they join, read and enjoy.

If you and Sean felt like I was calling you hypocrits, again, I was not and that was not at all my intention, I was calling this rule hypocritical and I do feel it is, but once again, that is just me, I was not in any way trying to start an us vs. them pissing contest, it was a comment made about the rules, nothing more. Not you or any IPSC shooters.
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Quigley said:
Is this Bianchi?
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Yepper!!

IPSC is my favourite, but I'd never be home if we also had regular Action Pistol matches.

I find the Action Pistol matches to be very complementary to IPSC. It's akin to the training green in golf. Every one of the 4 main stages are relatively simple, yet challenging, but just as in a short par 3, the devil is in the details. You need to have your accuracy dialed in, as well as your timing, stance, breathing, etc.
 
Action pistol is a combo of the precision of PPC with the speed of IPSC shot on "tombstone" targets
And don't forget the funny start position(surrender).
The 31st anniversary of this match was shot last week at Columbia, MO.
which also happens to be the home of the former Chapman Accademy and if you didn't fall asleep on the BB lecture you will know what that is.
 
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