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In light of some of the recent events with the use of BlackHawk Serpa holsters and the injuries incurred while unholstering/reholstering of this particular model of holster will there be a formal review to determine if these holsters will be allowed the continued use in IPSC, 3 Gun, IDPA and other shooting sports?

Greg
 
...it may fall victim to the new definition of "sweeping" if it passes in Greece...but I don't foresee any special review of this type of holster because of what appears to be poor gun handling.
 
while I am onside with calling these "incidents" user error I believe that the training aspect has to be addressed as well, and while these holsters may work well for some Military/LEO's who require a user actuated retention device frankly for civilians I don't see the allure of them, an open top kydex holster from most any manufacturer will hold the pistol enough to prevent accidental dropping.

for leo/.mil that need a jump rated/grab resistant holster there are better choices, maybe just class the holsters as "duty gear" and allow LEO/Mil to compete with them.... and take them out of the hands of newbies..... we have all seen someone yank thier pants up while using a serpa due to not hitting the release, and yet I can't remember the last time seeing the same for any other holster.
 
why have an issue with a non issue, one guy shot him self trying to show off on the internet, so blame the item not the person who's in charge of his own finger?. his dummy move. others have done this with different holsters and its the number one rule that is teached in each shooting sport discipline, "finger off the trigger" so why limit an item, we have already teached and drilled in what they need to know.
 
I am curious as to why I cannot ask here on an open forum that discusses stuff like this. I am not looking to have private conversations, I am looking to see if there is any discussion about this issue and what way the groups are moving.

I looked for a sticky to see if there was rules as too which questions or discussions could be presented on this forum and have not found any. Is there some?

Greg
 
1. Wait till WS in Greece
2. If a proposal in regards of having barrel always pointed outside of the limb eliminating any sweeping while drawing passes things will change. No idea how much, but will.
3. Be patient :)
 
albertacoyotecaller said:
I am curious as to why I cannot ask here on an open forum that discusses stuff like this.
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you can, but you also posted

albertacoyotecaller said:
At this time I am looking for an answer from the people that head up certain organizations.
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so it was just pointed out, why not ask them directly, which i agree, if your here on a public forum your going to get public input (and theres lots to go around :p )
 
Well if none of them decide to use this forum to make announcements, that's fine. However there is more than one way to skin a cat.

There is another thread for the discussion of the use. I am not interested in engaging in that discussion.

Greg
 
keep your god damn booger picker off the bang switch and there is no issue. The holster does not have a finger to pull the trigger with. The user does. IPSC rules already state you can't have your finger on the trigger or in the trigger guard unless you are on target, so having your finger on the trigger while drawing is already against the rules.
 
Well that's 3 DQs in one draw:

  1. Disengaging safety while the gun was still holstered.
  2. Putting index finger in the trigger guard without gun safely pointed downrange (at a target).
  3. Accidental discharge

Not sure what the holster did...?
 
The incidents have been reported to IDPA HQ and they are presently reviewing the holster. The general consensus from comments made on the Area Coordinators Forum is the holster should be banned. Certainly I have yet to see a shooter use one without giving himself a wedgy, which is fortunately the most serious injury I have seen to date.

I just took a look at the replies on our Forum and four incidents have been reported by AC's including one where a LEO Firearms Instructor shot himself in the butt while using one of the holsters.

I intend to discuss with the Area Contacts to see if they feel we should ban the holster for use in IDPA in Canada.

victor16 the real problem is it is very easy to sweep off the 1911 safety during the draw while using the holster and as we have seen from videos accidents can happen even to the most experienced of shooters.

Take Care

Bob
 
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One can't shoot themselves without pulling the trigger....full stop! Any rule or regulation, is just sugar coating the real problem......if idpa or ipsc bans these holsters, nothing will change, as idiots and dumbasses are everywhere!
 
albertacoyotecaller said:
I am curious as to why I cannot ask here on an open forum that discusses stuff like this. I am not looking to have private conversations, I am looking to see if there is any discussion about this issue and what way the groups are moving.

I looked for a sticky to see if there was rules as too which questions or discussions could be presented on this forum and have not found any. Is there some?

Greg
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No but your post is just plain stupid

You ask a question on an open forum.

people start to give their opinion on said question.

Your first reply is to say that you do not really want people to post replies and that you want an "offical" reply from people that head up some of the organizations.

Well since the emails to the heads of those organizations is public it would be logical for you to ASK THEM in the form on an email. If you then wanted to post those replies here so the rest of the forum could learn the outcome that would have been nice.

As it is this thread is just plain dumb.
 
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