holsters. I have no clue.

bsand said:
I'm not 100% thrilled on my soley can Concealment one. After about 8 hours of wearing the sweat sheild has basically rubbed me raw. And km talking about actually concealed carry (in Washington FYI). It felt great before I actually wore it all day with movement. The edge is just way too rough/sharp.

But I guess 99.999% of you that doesn't matter, but for me it does.
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I thought you were using Alien Gear?
Is the SolCan for the baby Glock or the CZ?
Are you using a properly sized and stiff gun belt? With the correct belt loops? I find most issues with holster rub is movement of the holster on the belt.
Weight of gun can also be an issue, esp with the wrong belt as it causes the gun/ holster to flop outwards.
Another is holster placement and physique. Move it around between 3-5 o'clock and see if it makes a diff.
If the above suggestions don't work or have been tried, then look at getting different gear. Should be easy to order anything you want from a US addy.
Dark Star Gear is worth a look. They have a good following on US pistol forums.
 
To the OP. ALL holsters are going to wear the finish on your gun. There are no exceptions. You have three basic choices in material, leather (cowhide or horsehide), kydex, and a hybrid of kydex and leather.

For range use straight drop holsters are the fastest to draw from and will serve most applications.
In leather horsehide will cost more, is denser than cowhide. I prefer horsehide and have an excellent High Noon Holster for one of my CZ's. High Noon usually has specials on so visit their site and see what is available. There are several other makes who make excellent leather holsters.

There are several well known kydex holster makers. The two more common US makers are Blade Tech and Comp Tac. The two are the dominant holste you see at the US IDPA Nationals if that means anything, In Canada Soley Canadian makes a very good holster. I have one for my 92A! and it works well. Mine came with the Tec Lok belt attachment. I think I would order the belt loops if I were to do it again. Soley Canadian supports the IDPA Canada website which is a nice gesture for a Canadian company to do.

Lastly, I find leather holsters to be more comfortable than kydex. Kydex is certainly faster to draw from for most which is one reason why competition shooters gravitate to it. If you prefer leather go for it. I love my High Noon Holster and have several other leather holsters I use for range use. Remember if you are ordering from the US you will get dinged on the FX, shipping can be a killer and you likely will get taxed both GST and Provincial.

Take Care

Bob
 
Still alive said:
I thought you were using Alien Gear?
Is the SolCan for the baby Glock or the CZ?
Are you using a properly sized and stiff gun belt? With the correct belt loops? I find most issues with holster rub is movement of the holster on the belt.
Weight of gun can also be an issue, esp with the wrong belt as it causes the gun/ holster to flop outwards.
Another is holster placement and physique. Move it around between 3-5 o'clock and see if it makes a diff.
If the above suggestions don't work or have been tried, then look at getting different gear. Should be easy to order anything you want from a US addy.
Dark Star Gear is worth a look. They have a good following on US pistol forums.
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Yep Cz is solely. It's actually scratching my gun now. I'm not happy at all. I just used the holster for my clubs idpa style match and there are cuts on the polycoat. I'm not impressed atall.

I use a 1.75 hsgi riggers belt. It's the hard edge on the sweat sheild.
 
I suppose that in choosing leather over Kydex you should consider this:

Would you rather wear a supple leather jacket or one made with stiff plastic material?
Thermoplastic also has the unfortunate property of cracking or breaking under stresses and strains that would not bother a leather holster in the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ
 
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zedex said:
What im looking for is something comfortable for the range.
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If you just want something to holster it in, an Uncle Mikes sidekick will do. Inexpsenve and won't bruise your gun.

unclemikes.com/products/holsters/sidekick-holsters

M
 
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shootist1876 said:
I suppose that in choosing leather over Kydex you should consider this:

Would you rather wear a supple leather jacket or one made with stiff plastic material?
Thermoplastic also has the unfortunate property of cracking or breaking under stresses and strains that would not bother a leather holster in the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ
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It took six years to put a crack in my first Raven - it's still in use, and functions perfectly, it just has a small crack in it. There's no way a leather holster would have lasted half that long given the amount of abuse it's been through. Raven offered to replace it for free when I ordered a flashlight holster for the same gun, but I'd rather keep it, so I declined.
 
Cracking thermoplastics can't be such a huge deal seeing as the OP only needs a holster for range use.
Seeing as most of the SF in the world use Kydex or some plastic/hybrid blend quite successfully, I will continue to trust Kydex holsters for fun and games.
I was a leather hound back in the days. When the Uncle Mike corduroy stuff and the original plastic holsters first showed up, I was totally disdainful of them. Fast forward 20 years. Finally tried a Serpa ( of all things!) and fell in love. Now all my guns wear plastic ( but not Serpas!).
The leathers have been retired. That sweet leather smell from back then now just smell like stale sweat!
 
enefgee said:
It took six years to put a crack in my first Raven - it's still in use, and functions perfectly, it just has a small crack in it. There's no way a leather holster would have lasted half that long given the amount of abuse it's been through. Raven offered to replace it for free when I ordered a flashlight holster for the same gun, but I'd rather keep it, so I declined.
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But, thermoplastics do break, as the video illustrates very well.
I have leather holsters that are decades old. They just get softer and better broken in, like a favorite pair of shoes, without wearing out.
 
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If you shoot competitively choose kydex if you don't, choose what you prefer kydex, leather or hybrid. They all will work and last most users a lifetime.

Take Care

Bob
 
shootist1876 said:
But, thermoplastics do break, as the video illustrates very well.
I have leather holsters that are decades old. They just get softer and better broken in, like a favorite pair of shoes, without wearing out.
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I have no clue what kind of holster that was, but I can 100 percent guarantee it wasn't a Raven - that's just not possible with a good quality holster. Even a Serpa would survive that. Incidentally, that's also the wrong response to a strong side gun grab.
 
enefgee said:
I have no clue what kind of holster that was, but I can 100 percent guarantee it wasn't a Raven - that's just not possible with a good quality holster. Even a Serpa would survive that. Incidentally, that's also the wrong response to a strong side gun grab.
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The holster in question was made of Kydex. If your Raven or Serpa holsters are made of this same 1960's thermoplastic, then they also have the same breakable characteristics.

And, what possible difference does "the response" have to do with whether the holster will break or not? A good holster should not break under any "gun grab" incident.

Kydex is by nature brittle. I have found numerous references to complaints of Kydex belt mounting straps breaking repeatedly. Something that isn't a problem with leather, which possesses toughness as well as flexibility. Also, if very cold, Kydex will shatter under a solid impact, or when bending.

It has it's uses, but it also has it's limitations.
 
That video does not give anywhere near enough information about thermoplastics as a whole to make any pronouncement. Who made the holster? Is it Kydex, or like the Serpa and Fobus holsters is it actually injection moulded plastic? Is the hardware threaded directly into the plastic, that'll do it. The paddle breaks off as a unit, with no jagged edges, which would suggest to me that the hardware was stripped - pretty hard to do if the holster has metal fasteners that aren't simply screwed into the plastic. No make, no model, no clue who the guy is, and no comments because presumably he was getting his ass handed to him. Yeah, learned that a huge number of police and military people are doing it wrong from an anonymous guy on the internet, who won't defend his own position. Awesome.

Incidentally, if you don't know the difference between good, bad and indifferent kydex holsters, does that mean you're in your lane, or out of it? There are at least 3 guys out there laughing at me putting the Serpa in the same sentence as the Raven, and you didn't know there was a difference.
 
shootist1876 said:
The holster in question was made of Kydex. If your Raven or Serpa holsters are made of this same 1960's thermoplastic, then they also have the same breakable characteristics.

And, what possible difference does "the response" have to do with whether the holster will break or not? A good holster should not break under any "gun grab" incident.

Kydex is by nature brittle. I have found numerous references to complaints of Kydex belt mounting straps breaking repeatedly. Something that isn't a problem with leather, which possesses toughness as well as flexibility. Also, if very cold, Kydex will shatter under a solid impact, or when bending.

It has it's uses, but it also has it's limitations.
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All so true but if it takes you a second or more longer to draw quickly from a duty leather holster over kydex the fact that a Florida cop's holster will break in the cold of the high arctic won't matter much if he is dead in the streets of Florida due to the one second delay. There are practical reasons to accept a certain amount of risk vs reward.

Take Care

Bob
 
shootist1876 said:
Thermoplastic also has the unfortunate property of cracking or breaking under stresses and strains that would not bother a leather holster in the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ
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That video depicts a FOBUS. It's not kydex.

That video mught say something about FOBUS, but - aside from the misleading title - it says nothing about kydex.
 
Holster in the Vid is not kydex

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Its a fobus, injection molded plastic. There is a reason you can by them for $12

Shawn
 
Since all the OP wants is a comfortable leather holster for the range, as he stated, I suppose that it's really academic and irrelevant whether Kydex breaks or not, or whether action shooters can draw their glocks microseconds faster.

Just as some shooters swear by polymer framed pistols, while others would not have one as a gift, each camp is going to fiercely defend their position. Neither camp is 100% right or 100% wrong and neither camp is ever going to budge on their position.
 
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