Hornady 308 Win. 168 Gr. BTHP Match
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gushulak
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I've used Hornady's 168gr. A-MAX factory loaded match rounds and they are fantastic, on par with GMM with a $10 savings.
For reloading, the regular Hornady 168gr. BTHP fly just as true as the Hornady match stuff I've tried, its a great bullet.
Hornady match ammo is very good and well priced, you will have good luck with it, might not be quite as accurate as GMM in most firearms, but in some it is great, my Rem 700P included.
For reloading, the regular Hornady 168gr. BTHP fly just as true as the Hornady match stuff I've tried, its a great bullet.
Hornady match ammo is very good and well priced, you will have good luck with it, might not be quite as accurate as GMM in most firearms, but in some it is great, my Rem 700P included.
maple_leaf_eh
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After paying for that rifle, no wonder you need to ask around for bargains on match ammo.
Seriously, ammunition and rifles are like shoes and feet. They have to fit each other well to perform their best. There is no easy way to know if your chamber, throat and rifling will be suited to one brand of ammo vs another until you shoot them enough to learn. Some of that knowledge won't come until you've fired a few hundred well aimed shots over a variety of conditions.
For example, I have shot three kinds of 147gr ball ammo, one remanufactured brand of 155gr Sierra HPBTM Palma bullets, and some sweet Norma 168gr. That day, the Rem 700 had the best groups with the Norma - but only after I had reminded myself how to settle down and shoot properly. And gone around tightening bits and pieces on the rifle. Maybe next time out, it will like the 155gr. That is the particular chamber reaming it has.
Where do you plan to do shoot? The PQRA has F-class matches using St-Bruno, I think?
Seriously, ammunition and rifles are like shoes and feet. They have to fit each other well to perform their best. There is no easy way to know if your chamber, throat and rifling will be suited to one brand of ammo vs another until you shoot them enough to learn. Some of that knowledge won't come until you've fired a few hundred well aimed shots over a variety of conditions.
For example, I have shot three kinds of 147gr ball ammo, one remanufactured brand of 155gr Sierra HPBTM Palma bullets, and some sweet Norma 168gr. That day, the Rem 700 had the best groups with the Norma - but only after I had reminded myself how to settle down and shoot properly. And gone around tightening bits and pieces on the rifle. Maybe next time out, it will like the 155gr. That is the particular chamber reaming it has.
Where do you plan to do shoot? The PQRA has F-class matches using St-Bruno, I think?
Pistol Pete
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I love the Hornady and it is the only factory ammo that shoots well out of all my rifles.
I have a Rem 700 that shoots pretty much same hole with it at 100m (Badgerdog will attest to this) however, the rifle has only fired around 300 rounds to date and it decided that it would no longer fire the Hornady. It shot the GMM fine, just not enough punch on the primer.
I have a Rem 700 that shoots pretty much same hole with it at 100m (Badgerdog will attest to this) however, the rifle has only fired around 300 rounds to date and it decided that it would no longer fire the Hornady. It shot the GMM fine, just not enough punch on the primer.
Thus far, in terms of match ammo, I've tried the two brands I've mentioned in the first post. They shot consistently and performed much the same between the two; the Federal, however, is somewhat cheaper.
Maple leaf, you're pretty much spot on with that first comment, btw. I plan on reloading once I get confirmation of all the equipment I need (from this post in my reloading thread).
Anyhow, this rifle responds well to bullets close to 168gr in general; I tried soft-point hydrashock in 165 gr with impressive results considering it's not a "precision" round. 150 gr sucked, both Remington UMC and Federal. Didn't try any heavier though.
I meant to ask about that St-Bruno range... Is it open for general use (practice and what not)? Or only for competitions? Where can I get details (schedule, rates, etc.)?
Maple leaf, you're pretty much spot on with that first comment, btw. I plan on reloading once I get confirmation of all the equipment I need (from this post in my reloading thread).
Anyhow, this rifle responds well to bullets close to 168gr in general; I tried soft-point hydrashock in 165 gr with impressive results considering it's not a "precision" round. 150 gr sucked, both Remington UMC and Federal. Didn't try any heavier though.
I meant to ask about that St-Bruno range... Is it open for general use (practice and what not)? Or only for competitions? Where can I get details (schedule, rates, etc.)?
I have a Savage Model 10 and a Rem 700 Police and the 168 A-Max Hornady match shoots excellent out of both definitely on par with GMM...and i dunno what redman is talking about federal being cheaper? the Hornady is considerably cheaper here in calgary i can't see it being different elsewhere...give them a try they are great.
gushulak
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[QUOTESeriously, ammunition and rifles are like shoes and feet. They have to fit each other well to perform their best. There is no easy way to know if your chamber, throat and rifling will be suited to one brand of ammo vs another until you shoot them enough to learn. Some of that knowledge won't come until you've fired a few hundred well aimed shots over a variety of conditions.
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Good advice, on a well built rifle you can really see the differences on match grade projectile differences. For purely reloading, my 700P loves Hornady A-MAX bullets, especially the 178gr. version, it shoots it as well as any other loads I have tried. My handloads with this bullet equal the accuracy of Hornandy, Lapua and Federal GMM factory ammo I have tested over the years.
Each firearm will fire a certain bullet better, once you start reloading it becomes obsessive. Too many choices in powder, primers, seating depths etc to play with to optimize the combo.
Best advice, try as many types of factory match as you can to see what your rifle likes, but like I said, for match ammo, Hornady produces a great product and a great price compared to the Lapua's and Federal GMM rounds out there.
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Good advice, on a well built rifle you can really see the differences on match grade projectile differences. For purely reloading, my 700P loves Hornady A-MAX bullets, especially the 178gr. version, it shoots it as well as any other loads I have tried. My handloads with this bullet equal the accuracy of Hornandy, Lapua and Federal GMM factory ammo I have tested over the years.
Each firearm will fire a certain bullet better, once you start reloading it becomes obsessive. Too many choices in powder, primers, seating depths etc to play with to optimize the combo.
Best advice, try as many types of factory match as you can to see what your rifle likes, but like I said, for match ammo, Hornady produces a great product and a great price compared to the Lapua's and Federal GMM rounds out there.
I meant relative to RUAG.
That seems like sound advice... Two ordered from WSS, let's see how they do!
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Well, if you find it agrees with your standards, your rifle and your pocket book buy a case of 20 or 30 boxes, whatever the shipped quantity is. Choose it all in one lot number, usually stamped inside a flap, so you will have a consistent supply.
After you've fired your cases, make friends with Ammomart in Hawkesbury. He has several product lines, including powder and primers. Varget is one of the more desireable powders for the .308, although there are other equally efficient choices.
You can shoot factory ammo in almost any chamber, if you reseat the bullet. The idea is the chamber is probably cut for one ballistic profile or another. The average bullet won't touch the lands, because the manufacturers deliberately seat them short (lawyers and lawsuits, liability and managers, etc). So, if you have the patience and the tools, try to slightly remove the factory bullets and reseat them slightly longer Overall Length. Important safety note - manipulating loaded ammunition is generally "contraindicated" by reloading writers.
Research the PQRA and the DCRA. These are the approved target rifle associations with long standing agreements with the Department of National Defence to use military ranges. Bruno was closed for repairs now that I think about it. Camp Farnham is restricted to 5.56, but it is a mechanical range. Camp Valcartier has 20 or 30 targets wide back to 1000yds. The big-time is to shoot at Connaught outside Ottawa. You will get your arse kicked up and down the range by wizened up old men with crap looking rifles that will nail the V-Bull 20 or 30 times in succession. There are some small ranges throughout the province which belong to private clubs. Search the archives for 'shooting in Quebec' or 'ranges in Quebec' or 'places to shoot'. There was a long thread a while ago.
Is this something that only affects the 150 gr. (that I mentioned didn't work well with my rifle)? Or was that a general suggestion? I ask because you wrote this in response to my comment on 150 gr. bullets...
I've been to two private ranges (Ruisseau Noir @ 200y and L'acadie @ 100m), but both are short. It'd be nice to find something within an hour of Montreal, especially considering the fuel prices, so Valcartier and Ottawa are out of the question... I heard Club de Tir Pionnier goes to 300y, but I'd love to try some longer ranges; I've done those searches for Quebec and Pionnier & Valcartier were the ones that always came up.
Thanks for all the info, eh!
