LOL....I wasn't pushing anything....a question was asked about a particular product and I shared my first hand experience. My Creedmoor shoots well with Hornady brass and I've reloaded that brass three times and had to trim after twice....is that really that hard for you to believe with your 20 years of experience? But yes, I agree...you do sound tired. To the OP...i apologize for the derail...i have no experience with your cartridge so take my experience for what it's worth.