Hornady Lock-N-Load AP and LEE FCD....

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I am in the market for a Progressive system. I am leaning towards the Lock and Load but if the Dillion 650 will work with the LFCD I will probably get it instead.

I currently have 2 single stage RCBS presses.

Rock Chucker Supreme and Partner press.

My question is...


I really like using LEE Factory Crimp Die will it work with the Lock n Load AP?

I have heard it doesn't.


As for the guys that currently use the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP do you seat and crimp with regular die at the same time?

I guess if worse comes to worse I could just run all the loaded rounds through the single stage Lee FCD.

I plan on loading for 10mm Auto, 357 mag, and 45 acp

Thanx.
 
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The answer is not straightforward.

Station five, unmodified, only accepts Hornady crimp dies - this is well-known, but not as well-known as it should be. So you can do one of two things:

1) use the powder-through expanders in the powder measure at station 2, then seat in station 3 and FCD in station 4. Station 5 is now just for ejecting. You probably want to use the powder-through expanders anyway.

2) modify station five or the FCD to fit. Here, you either bend the ejector wire, or grind a flat on the FCD (after setting it up ) being careful to not grind through the die body into the carbide ring. Both solutions are known to work.
 
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acrashb said:
The answer, of course, is not simple.

1) use the powder-through expanders in the powder measure at station 2, then seat in station 3 and FCD in station 4. Station 5 is now just for ejecting. You probably want to use the powder-through expanders anyway.

2) modify station five or the FCD to fit. here, you either bend/omit the ejector wire, or grind a flat on the FCD (after setting it up ) being careful to not grind through the die body into the carbide ring. Both solutions are known to work.

TYVM,

I will probably alter the die itself....so I just have to get it set up in station 5 and see where the die intefers with the ejecting wire and grind it down accordingly?

Thanx
 
350 Mag said:
so I just have to get it set up in station 5 and see where the die intefers with the ejecting wire and grind it down accordingly?

"apparently", which means that I've read about it and looked at how it would work on my press if I was using a FCD - looked doable. The die does not have to completely clear the wire, just has to be clear enough to push it out of the way. Might be tricky with .45 as there isn't much die body to put a flat on.

I've never done it as I switched to Redding dies and sold the Lee stuff. A buddy trimmed the Redding to fit, which of course is easier than what you would do with a FCD.
 
Thanx for the help acrashb...

I did a search over on HighRoad and found alot of info...pretty much bang on what you said...

Great to have help like this.



The Lee dies work fine, except for the FCD. It's too big at the base and hits the wire that sweeps the finished cartridge off the shell holder. You have two options, lift the wire up and out of the way, meaning you grab the cartridge and drop it in the tray as you put the next case in, or grind the side of the FCD so that it clears the wire. Or, what I've done for most of my calibers, is forget the FCD and get a hornady taper crimp die, which works great for me for handgun calibers and causes no problems. The Lee dies are also shorter, so you have to screw them down almost to the end of the threads, but they do work just fine with the LNL.

I reload a couple thousand rounds a month on mine, just did a 1000 .45's over the last couple of nights, I love it, sure you will too.





The current LnL AP comes with a case-activated powder drop that also expands. You won't need a seperate expander die. I don't know if it comes with the caliber-specific expanders, so you might need them (they're available seperately). Set up like this you'll resize & deprime on station 1, expand & drop powder on station 2, seat on 3, and crimp on 4. There won't be any problems using the Lee FCD on station 4.

The quick change powder die is the bottom half of the case-activated powder setup. You adjust the system for the length of your case by screwing the powder die up or down to the correct height. If you have a powder die for each different cartridge you load, you won't have to adjust the powder die every time you change calibers.
 
savagefan said:
When does the primer go in?

I am not even worried about that step.

If you want more info...do search in reloading section over on

http://www.thehighroad.or g

It has been done to death over there.

Oh by the way...


I am huge FLAME fan too...but if they play like they did in game #1 they might as well throw in the towel and not even bother with the rest of the series....EMBARRASSING to watch.

Iginla...SHOTLESS in game 1. NOUGH said.
 
350 Mag said:
I am huge FLAME fan too...but if they play like they did in game #1 they might as well throw in the towel and not even bother with the rest of the series....EMBARRASSING to watch.

Iginla...SHOTLESS in game 1. NOUGH said.

Aint that the truth.
 
Here is an excerpt from great article ...

Lovin' that Lock-N-Load


It was a great dissatisfaction with the Dillon powder measure that led the author to acquire his Hornady Lock-N-Load AP (hereafter LnL), so it's with the LnL's superior powder measure that we will begin. The LnL uses a conventional rotary drum type powder measure with a mechanical linkage that looks complicated, but actually has fewer moving parts than Dillon's. On a purely subjective note, the Hornady's powder measure makes operating the LnL feel far smoother than the often jerky clunking of the Dillon measure. As has been previously discussed, the Dillon powder measure has no means by which to record a powder setting. The LnL powder measure gives you two options. First, unlike the Dillon powder bars which are difficult to remove, the LnL measure's metering insert snaps in and out of the measure. In this way, you can buy one metering insert for each load you shoot and easily snap them in and out of the powder measure. "How is this different from buying multiple Dillon powder measures?" you ask. The LnL metering inserts cost less than $10, compared to Dillon's $55 measure. An even better alternative is Hornady's micrometer metering inserts (one is used for pistol sized charges, another for rifle) at $25 each. This inserts easily snap in and out of the measure and feature a micrometer adjustment that allows the reloader to easily record and and reset loads. Another advantage of the snap-in LnL powder measure system is that the measure can be drained by snapping out the metering insert and snapping in a drain adapter. Unlike draining the Dillon measure, which involves inverting it and then shaking or manually cycling it, draining the Hornady measure is completely painless. The Hornady measure is also much easier to move around. If you recall, moving the Dillon measure from one toolhead to another can be very tedious. To move the Hornady measure, one simply unhooks a spring, loosens an allen-head screw about 1/4 turn, lifts the measure off the old powder die and onto the new powder die, then rehooks the spring and tightens the screw. The removeable inserts also mean you can use one powder measure to throw loads for everything from .32 S&W to big magnum rifles. Finally, Hornady makes a powder measure with an aluminum hopper and brass internals (suitable for use with blackpowder) that can be used on the LnL. The 550 has no provision for loading blackpowder cartridges.

Unlike Dillon presses, which have a removeable toolhead, the LnL's top plate is solid. Hornady's excellent Lock-N-Load system consists of lugged bushings, into which dies are screwed and adjusted. Dies can then be installed in the press with by rotating them 1/6 of a turn. This gives you all the quick-changing convenience of the Dillon toolhead with a more rigid press. A set of Hornady bushings costs about the same as a Dillon toolhead. In addition to a new toolhead, loading a new caliber on the 550 requires a "caliber conversion kit" consisting of a powder/expander funnel, locator buttons, and a shellplate. A conversion kit for the LnL consists of only a shellplate partly since the LnL bells the case mouth and throws the powder charge in different steps. Separating these steps is the "traditional" method; throwing a powder charge through an expander funnel is an idea that was patented by Lee Precision and for which Dillon pays royalties. It is for this reason that Dillon's proprietary die sets do not include a separate expander die, while all brands others do. Additionally, the 550 requires brass "locator buttons" that drop into place at each station outside the shell plate in order to keep cartridges properly snugged up in the plate. These buttons make removing cartridges from intermediate stages (to check a powder charge for instance) difficult. Rather than use locator buttons, the LnL employs a circular coil spring that goes around the shellplate to hold the cartridge in place. Not only does this eliminate the need for different locator pins for different size cartridges, it makes it easy to remove cartridges from any part of the shellplate. Finally, the Hornady shellplate is easier to change out than the 550's. The 550's shellplate is retained with an awkward allen-head bolt and a set screw. The LnL shellplate is retained with single hex head screw that only needs to be hand-tightened.

Early incarnations of the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP received some bad press for their priming system. Thankfully, in February 2003, all LnL's began shipping with an improved priming system (which was also made available for retrofit on older presses). Anecdotally, this priming system is more reliable than the 550's. First, the new LnL priming system has fewer moving parts than the 550's and its parts are less subject to wear (witness the plastic feeder lips on the 550 primer tubes). The 550's priming system is complicated by the fact that the press must remove old primers and seat new primers in the same location. When depriming with the 550, spent primers are caught by a pivoting catcher that allows bits of debris from the spent primer to fall down into the press and are the principle reason the 550 tends to get so dirty. Further, spent primers are occassionally missed. After a reloading session with the 550, finding spent primers on the floor is almost inevitable. Since the LnL automatically turns the shellplate half a turn on the upstroke and half a turn on the downstroke, it is able to de-prime and prime in separate locations. The LnL deprimes directly into a brass tube to which a rubber hose is attached and routed into a trash can. This eliminates spent primers on the floor and prevents primer debris from dirtying the press. The result is that the LnL stays far, far cleaner than the 550. Maintainability of the LnL is further enhanced by the presense of zerk fittings for keeping the press lubricated. Finally, changing from small to large primers (or vice versa) on the LnL is significantly faster than the 550 (if the LnL primer tube is empty, if not it's only slightly faster).

650 Features at a 550 Price
For less than the price of a Dillon RL550B, the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP gives you all the features (and then some) of the Dillon XL650. The only area in which the XL650 beats the LnL is with an extra die station (even though the LnL and the XL650 both have five die stations, the LnL expands and charges separately). Like the XL650 (and unlike the 550), an automatic casefeeder can be installed on the LnL. You'll occassionally see that the casefeeder requires the purchase of a new "subplate"; this is only true for presses made before February 2003. Further, it is widely accepted that changing calibers on the XL650 is even more difficult (and expensive) than with the RL550B. The Hornady LnL caliber conversion process is easier and quicker than either the 550 or 650. Finally, the prices of caliber conversions for the LnL is slightly cheaper than the 550 (and a good deal cheaper than the 650). For reference, a typical LnL caliber conversion consists of: 1) 4 LnL bushings, 2) Deluxe powder die, 3) Die set, 4) Shellplate (if needed). You should also note that the prices of Hornady accessories tend to be more competitive than Dillon's. Unlike Dillon, which sells most of their merchandise directly with a very small number of resellers, Hornady's products are stocked by many retailers. While the LnL is an excellent choice for any reloader, the LnL is especially well-suited for those who reload (or plan to reload) many calibers.

Questions, comments, death threats? E-mail me at cort [at] vbrpc [dot] org.

P.S. to the guy I sold my 550 to: don't worry it's a great press!
 
I bought mine at cabellas but had it shipped to a US address. They called me to verify, I had another name (friend in the US) on delivery. I'm not sure if they'll ship the presses to Canada or not. But I live less than 1 hour from the border...
 
Get a Dillon with a casefeeder and you'll be happy beyond your wildest dreams. It takes the Lee factory crimp die too...
 
yea it works i just had to modifiey the steel bullet extractor above the shellplate.just bend it a bit.i reloaded 40sw easy. now i dont use anymore because i reload 38sa.
 
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