Hornady - RAPiD Safe Night Guard

cbh560 said:
I have one and it works great. It's heavy duty and tethered to the wall with a steel cable and lag bolts. I won't comment as to the contents of mine, but I can tell you it would fit a full size handgun and magazine along with passports and some other important documents fairly easily. It is well built and fairly heavy.

If your main concern is a built in radio and alarm I think you've missed the point. Considering most folks have their phone charging on the nightstand, I'm sure you could find another convenient alternative for your alarm....
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says the height is 3 inches. without a trigger lock yes with one no. Is this really called a safe. and not a cabinet?
 
mobiletec said:
says the height is 3 inches. without a trigger lock yes with one no. Is this really called a safe. and not a cabinet?
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Don't quote me on this as I'm not 100% sure but I believe there is case law for stack on safes to be classified as a safe so if they are good to go I am betting this more than qualifies.
 
PrettyBoy said:
Don't quote me on this as I'm not 100% sure but I believe there is case law for stack on safes to be classified as a safe so if they are good to go I am betting this more than qualifies.
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With only a small bit of snark I ask, you are betting what exactly that it qualifies...? While liking the idea, I remain deeply concerned as to the local Crown's take on it's legality when it passes her desk associated to your use of force incident. While some may want it to pass muster, it may not. But I am interested in it.

-John.
 
Everyone has to make their own decisions regarding what is a safe as there is no legal definition. If you want irrefutable proof that this would be classified as a safe there you won't get that. You also won't get that garauntee with a massive thick walled safe either as again there is no legal definition. Regardless of what you are using as a safe it will always come down to the courts. I am merely pointing out that if a ####ty stack on can be classed as a safe then these are probably good to go. But again your own risk. Its always gonna come down to your own risk.
 
mobiletec said:
says the height is 3 inches. without a trigger lock yes with one no. Is this really called a safe. and not a cabinet?
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There is no legal distinction between Safe and cabinet in Canadian Law. The only time I know that this has been tested in court the judge used Blacks Law Dictionary for the definition of "safe", which says something along the lines of "lockable metal box".

Besides, its called the "RAPiD Safe Night Guard" not the "RAPiD Cabinet Night Guard"....

All in fun said:
Just curious...why wouldn't you use a cable lock?
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Just curious, why use a lock at all? If its a safe (which both the name of the product and the fact it is a locking metal container would imply that it is) there is no legal requirement to use a second lock on the gun.

This is a bit pricey for me, but I'd totally buy one if I felt like I needed a gun that easily accessible.
 
I still think short barrel long guns are a superior option for bump in the night. Having three points of contact when im sheeting myself would increase my acuracy greatly.
 
Reg# 43897 said:
With only a small bit of snark I ask, you are betting what exactly that it qualifies...? While liking the idea, I remain deeply concerned as to the local Crown's take on it's legality when it passes her desk associated to your use of force incident. While some may want it to pass muster, it may not. But I am interested in it.

-John.
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Have you ever heard of mens rea? If something is called a safe and you think its a safe why would you be prosecuted under some technicality?
 
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Suther said:
There is no legal distinction between Safe and cabinet in Canadian Law. The only time I know that this has been tested in court the judge used Blacks Law Dictionary for the definition of "safe", which says something along the lines of "lockable metal box".

Besides, its called the "RAPiD Safe Night Guard" not the "RAPiD Cabinet Night Guard"....



Just curious, why use a lock at all? If its a safe (which both the name of the product and the fact it is a locking metal container would imply that it is) there is no legal requirement to use a second lock on the gun.

This is a bit pricey for me, but I'd totally buy one if I felt like I needed a gun that easily accessible.
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I believe it's a safe, so I don't believe it needs a lock. However, I was asking him why he couldn't use a cable lock instead of the trigger block kind of lock, as a response to his comment. As far as why, some people prefer additional security, and that's their right.
 
All in fun said:
I believe it's a safe, so I don't believe it needs a lock. However, I was asking him why he couldn't use a cable lock instead of the trigger block kind of lock, as a response to his comment. As far as why, some people prefer additional security, and that's their right.
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I think the obvious reason is because cable locks are the worst. lol
 
All in fun said:
Nah. Trigger locks that are sold for $5.00 for a package of 20 are the worst.
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You mean the screw-together ones that don't require a key or combo to get off? Personally I like 'em for what they are. They're great for shipping a gun for instance, I can just tape the "key" to the inside of the gun box, and the cost to me is very little, which sure beats a) shipping a real trigger lock and eating to cost, or b) trying to ship the gun with a cable lock installed. They also take up less space in the gun locker, so they allow me to have that little bit of extra protection without reducing the number of guns I can fit into it, and putting a combo lock on every gun would cost me at least 10 times as much.

Cable locks are a pain. On most of my guns I need to remove the magazine and leave the bolt half-open to use them. On some of my guns that are either single shot or blind magazines, you have to remove the bolt entirely to use a cable lock. I have a bunch of cable locks, I almost never use any of them these days. If I'm going out, the first thing that comes with me is a combo trigger lock, and if I need more locks than I have combo trigger locks I reach for the screw together ones.
 
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