The CCW/ATC forum could be a closed forum. To participate you would have to prove to a moderator that you should have access. Got a CCW or ATC? Then access granted. Have 500 or more posts and none of them have an anti-slant to them - Access granted.
How About A Concealed Carry Section?
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I dont really see a need to have a closed forum, ATC is legal in Canada and CCW in the USA many of us have premits...as long as nothing illegal is discussed I see no problem...
Read all 27 pages of this thread, and then decide if it should be open or closed.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98500
I think that there should be two forums, one open, and one closed.
That way, important strategy can be discussed in the private one, and the open one is available to new people to answer basic questions, have healthy debate, and also, focus all the huge amount of CCW/ATC threads in one spot.
Currently, CCW/ATC shows up all over this board, in Discussion, General, Off Topic, Handgun, etc, etc.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98500
I think that there should be two forums, one open, and one closed.
That way, important strategy can be discussed in the private one, and the open one is available to new people to answer basic questions, have healthy debate, and also, focus all the huge amount of CCW/ATC threads in one spot.
Currently, CCW/ATC shows up all over this board, in Discussion, General, Off Topic, Handgun, etc, etc.
richardoldfield said:NAA, does this mean it would be the only forum we would be allowed to post pictures of our "too evil to be owned by Canadians/Canadiens" handguns on?
Regards,
Richard
I don't mind when you guys post... er ,well except some of those wild carpet pics...
I've never looked ,but I would have to think there are american forums discussing CCW right now.
Lot's more people actually carrying guns in the States so I would think the american forums would be the place to get good info....
Lot's more people actually carrying guns in the States so I would think the american forums would be the place to get good info....
Look guys - i know a lot of folk here are passionate about a CCW forum, and i can understand why.
The powers that be have always been very reluctant to grant ANY new forums without some sort of solid argument that there's enough traffic to really justify it.
Further, there's a few concerns amonst the higher ups about what would happen if a bunch of anti's got access to our 'plans' for ccw.
Hey, if it were up to me, i'd start one tomorrow. If for no better reason that to shut tootall and jng up.
but to date it's been put forward several times and shot down. Which doesn't mean you guys shouldn't ask again at some point, but unless someone can make a compelling argument as to why it's necessary (instead of just using the 'discussions' or actions part of politics) i suspect it'll be a tough sell.
The powers that be have always been very reluctant to grant ANY new forums without some sort of solid argument that there's enough traffic to really justify it.
Further, there's a few concerns amonst the higher ups about what would happen if a bunch of anti's got access to our 'plans' for ccw.
Hey, if it were up to me, i'd start one tomorrow. If for no better reason that to shut tootall and jng up.
but to date it's been put forward several times and shot down. Which doesn't mean you guys shouldn't ask again at some point, but unless someone can make a compelling argument as to why it's necessary (instead of just using the 'discussions' or actions part of politics) i suspect it'll be a tough sell.
"Lot's more people actually carrying guns in the States so I would think the american forums would be the place to get good info...."
We want a forum with mostly Canadian content. An American forum would not be a good place to go to get advice from a Canadian perspective.
I like the idea that Tootall has - one open forum and one closed one.
We want a forum with mostly Canadian content. An American forum would not be a good place to go to get advice from a Canadian perspective.
I like the idea that Tootall has - one open forum and one closed one.
ccw
Lets clarify my position on concealed carry in Canada. I spend about 8 mos a year in Can and the balance in S. Carolina and Florida. I am 66 years old and shoot sporting clays at 3 clubs here and 1 in S.C and 2 in Florida. I know many, many people in the states that have CCW permits. I know of no one in Canada that has one. I shoot every week here 2 or 3 times and also shoot in a Can Am League, so I have seen many shooters now and over my lifetime. So, unless you are in a very special situation in Canada- I will stand by my position--average Joe Citizen in Canada-forget about it. Its a waste of time.
Lets clarify my position on concealed carry in Canada. I spend about 8 mos a year in Can and the balance in S. Carolina and Florida. I am 66 years old and shoot sporting clays at 3 clubs here and 1 in S.C and 2 in Florida. I know many, many people in the states that have CCW permits. I know of no one in Canada that has one. I shoot every week here 2 or 3 times and also shoot in a Can Am League, so I have seen many shooters now and over my lifetime. So, unless you are in a very special situation in Canada- I will stand by my position--average Joe Citizen in Canada-forget about it. Its a waste of time.
There's a nice defeatist attitude!
People in the US said the same thing until 10 years ago when that wacko shot up a McDonald's in Texas. A few years of lobbying and presto, CCW permits were born.
I think we need to "adopt" this style as a strategy here in Canada. Just claiming our handguns are for target shooting and "sporting" purposes will only seal the coffin. We can not win with that argument. The Anti's will simply say, "what is your sport compared to a life?"
We need to say, "what if a responsible gun owner who had a ATC defended himself and everyone else? Maybe there would be far less dead and wounded"
If they claim they want a safer Canada, that is the only way to defend against that kind of insanity. It is working in the US to the point where even the gun control groups are admitting it is working.
People in the US said the same thing until 10 years ago when that wacko shot up a McDonald's in Texas. A few years of lobbying and presto, CCW permits were born.
I think we need to "adopt" this style as a strategy here in Canada. Just claiming our handguns are for target shooting and "sporting" purposes will only seal the coffin. We can not win with that argument. The Anti's will simply say, "what is your sport compared to a life?"
We need to say, "what if a responsible gun owner who had a ATC defended himself and everyone else? Maybe there would be far less dead and wounded"
If they claim they want a safer Canada, that is the only way to defend against that kind of insanity. It is working in the US to the point where even the gun control groups are admitting it is working.
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Im 50 years old and can remember being able to carry a handgun in the bush...I think that wilderness ATTs would be the first step..
You are not alone.
It's the easiest one to sell, and it's got a very natural lead in to ccw in the city once it's shown that people in the woods didn't engage in wild gunfights and senseless slaughter.
We could probably make wilderness att a reality very easily. That has the ADDED advantage of turning a lot of hunter/hiker types who are usually just interested in long guns into 'pistol people' and also shuts up the 'nobody NEEDS a handgun' crowd.
I've often felt it'd be a good first step - makes the next step a lot easier.
ccw
Uwish I don't now you and would never accuse you of beig a deafeatist or any other attitude. MY last word on this subject. I'm just trying to point out the reality of the situation in Canada. BY the way--the those who know me might disagree with your defeatest. statement.
Uwish I don't now you and would never accuse you of beig a deafeatist or any other attitude. MY last word on this subject. I'm just trying to point out the reality of the situation in Canada. BY the way--the those who know me might disagree with your defeatest. statement.
Reality is what you make of it b6ddie.
The fact is - anyone being 'realistic' KNEW there was no way that the ###s would EVER be tolerated in our society, and DEFINATLY not be allowed to marry!!
in 1965 that is. When it was still illegal to be ###.
Any "Reasonable" woman could have told you they'd never get the right to vote in a man's world.
"Reasonable" natives everywhere knew they were going to get screwed, and fighting for thier rights was a lost cause.
Lets face it - if you're willing to concede that the public CANNOT be taught to think different, you are in fact conceding defeat. And honestly, you need to think about whether or not you feel comfortable with that.
The 'reality' in canada is that it may take a bit of time, but as long as we never give up and never admit defeat, we CAN in fact make it happen. It was less than 25 years ago we HAD ATC's issued to people fairly regular.
Never let 'em beat you bud - always believe you can change things.
The fact is - anyone being 'realistic' KNEW there was no way that the ###s would EVER be tolerated in our society, and DEFINATLY not be allowed to marry!!
in 1965 that is. When it was still illegal to be ###.
Any "Reasonable" woman could have told you they'd never get the right to vote in a man's world.
"Reasonable" natives everywhere knew they were going to get screwed, and fighting for thier rights was a lost cause.
Lets face it - if you're willing to concede that the public CANNOT be taught to think different, you are in fact conceding defeat. And honestly, you need to think about whether or not you feel comfortable with that.
The 'reality' in canada is that it may take a bit of time, but as long as we never give up and never admit defeat, we CAN in fact make it happen. It was less than 25 years ago we HAD ATC's issued to people fairly regular.
Never let 'em beat you bud - always believe you can change things.
I took his (b6ddie) comment as "being a waste of time" in terms of usefullness not in it actually becoming reality, I don't want to put words in his mouth but that is how I understood it. And I disagree with that position, many recent incidents could have seen a different outcome with ATC/CCW.
As someone who's scrapped for our rights for a while now - i can sure sympathize with people feeling that way from time to time.
However - we just can't ever let ourselves go there. It's NEVER a waste of time. Seeds planted today may take a while to grow, but they often do produce results over time.
Look at the gun registry. something like 75 percent of canadians decided it was a good idea in polls taken when it first was introduced. By 2000 we had that down to about 50 percent and after the ag's report it was more like the high 30's.
Consider the difference in the reaction between l'ecole polytechnique and dawson.
We DO make a difference, it ISN"T a waste of time, and we need to keep that in mind, especially when things look their worst. It's tough sometimes, but it's important to remember: the anti's cannot beat us, except by convincing us to give up.
