How About A Concealed Carry Section?

skycrane said:
Still can. those permits are available. you just have to show proof that you work in the wilderness.
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What I meant to say...I think they should be available for recreational purposes as well...My ass would taste the same to a bear as a prospectors ass..
 
b6ddie said:
Lets clarify my position on concealed carry in Canada. I spend about 8 mos a year in Can and the balance in S. Carolina and Florida. I am 66 years old and shoot sporting clays at 3 clubs here and 1 in S.C and 2 in Florida. I know many, many people in the states that have CCW permits. I know of no one in Canada that has one. I shoot every week here 2 or 3 times and also shoot in a Can Am League, so I have seen many shooters now and over my lifetime. So, unless you are in a very special situation in Canada- I will stand by my position--average Joe Citizen in Canada-forget about it. Its a waste of time.
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Nothing you said there clarifies why you think it's a waste of time. Becasue we don't need them? Because you don't think it will ever come to pass that Canadians might be able to carry for victim prevention?

b6ddie said:
I'm just trying to point out the reality of the situation in Canada.
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We KNOW the reality of the ATC in Canada. That's what we are trying to change. Your input has no value on eiter side of the argument.

b6ddie said:
BY the way--the those who know me might disagree with your defeatest. statement.
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Well..we don't know you, so your attitude just comes across as arrogant.
 
Original issue here........................:rolleyes:


I didn't think it would go on this far.

But there are increasing numbers of Canadians getting CCW permits for the states. It will become part of our forum culture. This forum prides itself on being anything firearms related. For Canadians.

Canadians are carrying restricted firearms in the states now. Why ignore the fact.

I don't know what the mods reasons are for.......

Could it be that bad? Would depend on how sensible the posters would be.

With all the stupid "zombies" threads, maybe the members couldn't post responsibly.

Prove me wrong or right.
 
Not only is it not a waste of time... but if you are going to draw a line in the sand from which to push forward... this is as good a place as any. In other words, shoot for the stars - you will get further. If we take the attitude that CCW permits are a lost cause in Canada we have put ourselves at a disadvantage already... better to take the stance that CCW permits are a future possibility that we are prepared to argue for. And then put forth (through an active forum such as this) empirical data and logical arguments as to why the average Canadian should be permitted to have a CCW permit. Perhaps baby steps are called for. First, argue for CCW for those that genuinely need them, asides from the chosen few. Heck, I work late at night in VERY bad areas of town sometimes. It is the nature of my work. I used to carry bank deposits at times (not any more... I carry very little cash these days). Who better to issue a CCW to than me? Late at night. Tough areas of town. Alone. Carrying cash deposits. DUH? Guess that's why I don't do it any more. Not that a CCW permit and a .45 on my belt would make me feel that much more secure... but it would be a start. I firmly believe that every citizen has the right to protect themselves, having proven that they are of sound mind and a solid background. I took the Utah and NH CCW permits seminar last week and decided to take the permits although I doubt I will carry stateside. The permits make a statement to those that know... they say 'this guy has been checked out and is a solid citizen'. If and when I ever get stopped, you can be sure I will announce that I have a permit to carry but am not and hand the officer my driver license along with my CCW permit. I am told they appreciate it. It tells them they are not dealing with a criminal nor a whacko. It actually tones the encounter down a notch or two.

Anyway, down off my soapbox. We all need to be writing our politicians and making our feelings known. And we need to argue from KNOWLEDGE and not from rhetoric. I am told, for example, that the total ban on firearms in the UK has led to an increase in violent crime, especially DAYTIME BROAD DAYLIGHT violent crime. Nobody needs worry that law abiding citizens are able to protect themselves in their homes any longer. Only the bad guys have guns.

Nuff said.

ML



Foxer said:
As someone who's scrapped for our rights for a while now - i can sure sympathize with people feeling that way from time to time.

However - we just can't ever let ourselves go there. It's NEVER a waste of time. Seeds planted today may take a while to grow, but they often do produce results over time.

Look at the gun registry. something like 75 percent of canadians decided it was a good idea in polls taken when it first was introduced. By 2000 we had that down to about 50 percent and after the ag's report it was more like the high 30's.

Consider the difference in the reaction between l'ecole polytechnique and dawson.

We DO make a difference, it ISN"T a waste of time, and we need to keep that in mind, especially when things look their worst. It's tough sometimes, but it's important to remember: the anti's cannot beat us, except by convincing us to give up.
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I think it's important that we have an active discussion on the possibility of CCW in Canada. Even with the arguement of some people expressing their doubts or concerns of the possibility of it.

It gives a chance for people to express their reasoning and point of view, so other people who who haven't read this debate yet can examine the issue and make their own decision on it.

I personally haven't read much on this before, and I'm sure others new to firearms aren't aware of it all together. I myself only heard about CCW to Canadian in the US earlier this year. With that being possible, it give me hope that it'll be one day possible in Canada.

I think the only way to get the CCW into reality in Canada is to get more support for it from people......getting more existing firearm owners supporting it, and getting people new to firearms behind it as well. It probably wouldn't hurt to get more people into firearms in general.......I propose that we should all try and get more people licensed for firearms.....and then seeing what they think about supporting CCW.

(Oh and all guys who are doing all the hard lobbying to the politicians, keep up the good work.....and thanks for showing people like me not knowing any better how it's done so I can too! :p )

My $0.02
 
I guide sometimes during fishing season and have seen many bears. I know of bears waiting on the trails for fisherman comming back from the river with their catch. So...you are saying it may be possible for me to obtain an ATC? I would feel a lot better that is for sure.
 
I think there are alot of us that would feel alot 'better' or more comfortable if we could get a 'recreational' wilderness carry.

For me, that would be my goal in working towards CCW. I don't need to carry on me everyday, I don't feel like that would be necessary. However out in the woods by myself with my little dog, I would definitely appreciate it no doubt
 
Canadians are carrying restricted firearms in the states now. Why ignore the fact.

I don't know what the mods reasons are for.......

Could it be that bad? Would depend on how sensible the posters would be.

With all the stupid "zombies" threads, maybe the members couldn't post responsibly.

Prove me wrong or right.
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It's important here to differentiate between 'allowing discussion' and "starting up a dedicated forum on the board".

CCW or ATC discussions are welcome, and indeed we see 'em pretty regular. And we have these sections in politics to discuss them as well.

However - you must remember that Greentips is bombarded with requests for new forums pretty regular. Some people have wanted specific forums for all different kinds of black rifles, some have talked about a hunting forum for each different animal, some for each different province, etc etc etc etc.

Greentips looks at whether or not there appears to be enough volume of posts or a special need that justifies an additional forum. Otherwise, the place just becomes a MESS to navigate. Some guns have gotten their own forum or subforum, like shotguns, or i beleive sks's. But that was based on activity.

Heck, for the longest time all we ever had in 'politics' was 'articles'. Till we could show the value and volume justification for more forums. And some of the ones which got created were actually cut back (remeber we used to have an 'actions' forum for each province.)

CCW discussions are fine. Nobody is asking anyone to 'ignore' the discussion or anything even close to that. It just hasn't been enough of an issue that it deserves a dedicated forum at THIS point. The more it comes up, the more people are discussing it, and the more it can be shown that such a forum is necessary, the more likely we'll get one. In the meantime, by all means discuss away.
 
Great discussion going here especially b6ddie and Foxer.

There are hundreds or maybe thousands of Canadians and others who currently practice CCW in this country. They're called criminals.

Whats impossible for us at present is practicing CCW while retaining non-criminal status.

Ergo CCW is a "criminals only" proposition in Canada.

Arguements anyone?
 
A good person to ask would be safeguard guy. I think he has certified at least 2000 Canadians so far (don't quote me on that).
 
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